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  • #61
    Originally posted by LoDownSinner View Post
    A lot of the things, especially the "deficiencies", you pointed out in your initial post are the subject of endless threads in RiderCoach forums.

    Ad nauseum...
    And so I took the advice of my senior RiderCoaches and almost never go there.

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    • #62
      I definitely don't want to come off as down on the MSF curriculum! Seriously, I saw the mental level of most of the people in there with me. Believe me, it was fine. Do I wish it could be more? Yes. But the audience is vastly different from the training I had. I know that.

      Going any further with that subject would just get me into trouble!
      Katherine goes to Fahrschule - the German rider training thread :: Nine Days in the Alps :: BRC 2014 :: Finding GS Land
      2012 CBR250R (sold), 2001 Super Sherpa, 2004 BMW F650GSa - not a big Ford truck...

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      • #63
        I think a compare/contrast between Germany and here would be interesting. Not as a knock on MSF training, but just the general difference between Germany and USA in terms of attitude on motor vehicle training.
        I still make a runny one now and then, but the goo is good on ice cream.

        -- Overcaffeinated

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        • #64
          Originally posted by ds5160 View Post
          I think a compare/contrast between Germany and here would be interesting. Not as a knock on MSF training, but just the general difference between Germany and USA in terms of attitude on motor vehicle training.
          That's exactly what has fascinated me about this thread - I went back and re-read Katherine's old German training thread. 17 separate on-the-road sessions, including night riding and time on the autobahn. IIRC, it was up to your instructor as to when you were ready to move on to the next session. And you were paying him for all that time, right?
          Chaz

          "In terms of improving one’s mood and general outlook I consider the ukulele to be the big gun." - Loudon Wainwright III

          '16 S1000XR "Raquel" - Red, the "energetic and quick-thinking" color!

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          • #65
            Yes, I was only allowed to move on when he thought I was ready to. All the while, cash flying out of my wallet. One riding session cost more than the entire MI BRC. That's how I ended up with seventeen instead of twelve - he decided that I was ok to go onto the big bike (don't forget graduated licensing!) and it was my choice whether to continue spending money or not to go for it. Of course, I did! I didn't have my contract extension yet, so I didn't know that I would be staying long enough for my license to mature, or that I would be buying a throttled bike that could be unthrottled, or or or.... Plus, big girl bike license.

            One other thing - there is no real "points" thing on the exam in Germany. You can goof up a bit here and there on the highway, but any mistakes in the neighborhood driving are immediate fails, and you get two tries for each of the parking lot drills. That is it. You can fail the driving test about a thousand ways, but only pass it two ways - on the first try in traffic and first try in the lot, or first try in traffic and second try in the lot. That's it. There is not two points for a foot down or such up to a certain score - almost any of the things that result in points on the MSF skills test would be immediate fails in Germany. So it is quite nerve-wracking - 45 minutes of waiting to be sent home.

            A good part of it is cultural. In Germany, your driving license means that you have the privilege to drive and you are expected to actually drive and drive well. You have to actively choose to get it, it's expensive and it takes forever. Here, driving is seen more as a right, and coughing up any cash plus a weekend is a big intrusion on freedom. OK, I overstated that, but it's close.

            One thing that is highly interesting to me is how well the MSF have refined their message with regard to the target audience. Let's be clear - I'm not the target audience! So the fact that I can clearly see the value in the BRC should be a credit to the MSF, and my wishing for more rigor is purely a reflection of my willingness to put time and money into this kind of training.

            I did like that while the scores were being loaded into the school system, the RCs gave a nice ten-minute commercial talk for the RRBRC and ARC, along with repeating the BRC every year. I would have gone even farther than they did (surprise) and talked about track days. Basically to catch the squid crowd and hammer on them a bit that there is an appropriate place for going stupid fast and it is not the street. And then compare the cost of the $25 ARC to a $300 track day, all with the focus that the ARC will prepare you to be quick on the street and stay out of trouble, because if you really want to go that fast, you need to go to the track, which you are not going to get to do for $25.

            You know, I do think that a huge amount of our problems with all of driving here in the US would be solved with graduated licensing. I know, it would kill freedom and destroy liberty......
            Katherine goes to Fahrschule - the German rider training thread :: Nine Days in the Alps :: BRC 2014 :: Finding GS Land
            2012 CBR250R (sold), 2001 Super Sherpa, 2004 BMW F650GSa - not a big Ford truck...

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            • #66
              Originally posted by atomicalex View Post
              You know, I do think that a huge amount of our problems with all of driving here in the US would be solved with graduated licensing. I know, it would kill freedom and destroy liberty......
              Utah is currently trying out tiered licensing. They've not been at it long enough though for significant data to have been collected. There are also a few oddities due to the tiering being done by engine displacement rather than horsepower; one may test on a 35hp 650cc cruiser and then receive a license allowing use of a 120hp sport bike, but nothing's perfect. Utah's law also has not time-at requirement. A novice rider, at the end of the BRC, could opt to test on an open class bike and receive an unrestricted license.

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              • #67
                That's how it is in Germany - you get licensed based on the bike you test on. It is hp/weight-based, though. Basically it works out to 125 and under, 125-450, and 450+ for ccs, if you stretch it.
                Katherine goes to Fahrschule - the German rider training thread :: Nine Days in the Alps :: BRC 2014 :: Finding GS Land
                2012 CBR250R (sold), 2001 Super Sherpa, 2004 BMW F650GSa - not a big Ford truck...

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