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  • #16
    I wouldn't want to extrapolate "all LEO's" from this, any more than I would want to extrapolate "all bikers."

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    • #17
      You beat me to it, mz.
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      • #18
        As my old crim law professor, a former prosecutor, was fond of telling us, "The police generally are the guys in white hats. It's just the ones that aren't are the guys you hear about."
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        • #19
          I'm not sure about that, with the proliferation of video camera's today, it seems more and more LEO have a basic disregard for people's rights. I have experienced it first hand. One of my other hobbies is aircraft spotting. More than once while I have been on public property I have had officers tell me it's not legal to photograph aircraft or airports.

          I'm not trying to turn this into an all LEO's are bad...But, more and more today, LEO's have the us vs them attitude.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by WoodstockJeff View Post
            Were they armed? If not, I can see a big reason to not intervene.
            Are NY cops permitted to be armed when off duty? Or is that Chicago I'm thinking of?
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            • #21
              A day in life of LEO, below. I would give them a lot of benefit of doubt, at least wait for more facts to come up, before putting any blames. (Innocent until proven guilty.) A lot of LEOs start their day with expectations to get shot at. All of them may not be perfect in all possible situations. However, a profession with willingness to get shot at for something as silly as speeding or broken tail light deserves more than beyond reasonable doubt. That's my .02.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shadow Shack View Post
                Are NY cops permitted to be armed when off duty? Or is that Chicago I'm thinking of?
                Would probably depend on their position. A detective is probably permitted because "off duty" is a rather subjective term for them. A typical beat cop, though? I'd be surprised if they were allowed to carry.
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                • #23
                  I'm willing to reserve judgement until more facts are known, but there's one that bugs me.

                  I have a problem with none of them coming forward within their department to tell what they knew or saw.
                  Why?
                  Because they knew they were participating in an essentially hooligan event where they knew the law was going to be broken, and they were afraid of the possible consequences of just taking part in that.
                  If it turns out that one or two of them were actually involved in the assault, then it's worse.

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                  • #24
                    I have a problem with the LEO's being part of a group that they knew was going to break the law...The are knew ahead of time they planned to break the law, did they know about the SUV problems, no. But, the LEO's actively joined a group knowing they planned to break the law. They were going against department written policy by being part of the group.
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                    • #25
                      Armed or not, associating with such a group is no different than had they been associating with patched out 1%-ers or a bunch of gang bangers. It's a conflict of interest.
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                      • #26
                        Referring to the question can off duty NY officers carry guns?
                        The short answer is yes. Federal law permits it.

                        Here's the long answer:
                        http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pu..._duty_firearms

                        In Ga. All off duty officers are required to enforce the law in any matter that involves injuries or safety.
                        (like if they happen to see a car wreck, or a fight, robbery, etc)
                        Most cops here carry concealed all the time while they are off duty.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Shadow Shack View Post
                          Armed or not, associating with such a group is no different than had they been associating with patched out 1%-ers or a bunch of gang bangers. It's a conflict of interest.

                          This. +1

                          The only excuse would be the one undercover officer, but he's up sh*t creek without a paddle since he actively participated in the assault.
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