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    Quote Originally Posted by Afflo View Post
    Torque is not the same at the wheel in all gears. The horsepower at any given RPM will be the same, but you can trade speed for torque, and vice versa. The overall power output is the same. Being able to swap speed for torque is the entire reason for gearing.

    And Shaddix - don't try to lecture people on topics when, several pages previously, you were unable to differentiate between burro(w)s*.

    * Profanity expressed as riddle is art.
    Well then don't just ignore it when people are telling me I'm wrong when you know I am right(and not just telling me, insulting my intelligence over it). I exercised a lot more restraint than I wanted to. I didn't come on saying oh god you guys are idiots because I knew I didn't fully understood the concept. I knew I didn't have it all figured out and was simply trying to understand.

    And yeah, 40 horses is right, because it isn't 40lb of torque, it's more like 400lbs of torque in first gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaddix View Post

    And yeah, 40 horses is right, because it isn't 40lb of torque, it's more like 400lbs of torque in first gear.
    OK, let me get this straight. You're saying that your bike produces about the same torque as a Ford F350 (gas)?

    I would pay to see a DR650 towing a loaded cattle trailer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shonuff View Post
    OK, let me get this straight. You're saying that your bike produces about the same torque as a Ford F350 (gas)?
    Can't tell if serious...

    Rear wheel torque is a grossly divergent number from "dyno" torque. If you actually do the math and figure out how much torque is being sent to the rear wheel on a DR650, you'll likely find that his 400 number isn't as far off as one may think. In first gear, at least.

    Dyno torque is corrected for transmission gearing, final-drive gearing, and drive wheel diameter size to produce a number to compare different engines, or the same engine with different tuning setups. It won't tell you jack shit about how quickly a vehicle accelerates until gearing (the vectors to act on the ground) enters the equation.

    Don't laugh unless you're ready for the math...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Can't tell if serious...

    Rear wheel torque is a grossly divergent number from "dyno" torque. If you actually do the math and figure out how much torque is being sent to the rear wheel on a DR650, you'll likely find that his 400 number isn't as far off as one may think. In first gear, at least.

    Dyno torque is corrected for transmission gearing, final-drive gearing, and drive wheel diameter size to produce a number to compare different engines, or the same engine with different tuning setups. It won't tell you jack shit about how quickly a vehicle accelerates until gearing (the vectors to act on the ground) enters the equation.

    Don't laugh unless you're ready for the math...
    I still want to see some roided out gym rat play tug of war with the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds5160 View Post
    I still want to see some roided out gym rat play tug of war with the bike.
    The issue is focusing on theory rather than application. Get the roid rat to simply lift the rear wheel off the ground. Boom. Torque numbers and ponies negated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaddix View Post
    So you're telling me that where the rubber meets the pavement on my DR650, there is only ~40lbs of force being produced?
    Shaddix - Bless your heart.





    40 lbs of force is WEIGHT!

    Torque is measured in ft-lbs.

    And yes That DR whatever probably doesn't have more than 40ft-lbs of torque.

    When that brain of yours finally figures out that torque is a rotational force, you may begin understand what the FOOT part of the unit means.

    (how's that for restraint, I didn't use a single curse word. )

    As far as how much actual force (a weight, NOT TORQUE) is being applied at the point where the rubber meets the pavement you would have to learn math. And even God doesn't have enough patience to teach it to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afflo View Post

    * Profanity expressed as riddle is art.
    If it's a riddle, how come it wasn't a conundrum?

    Oh wait, we already tried something like that earlier in this thread.
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