Hot off the press! 2007 Sportsters now EFI [Archive]

E-Man

07-14-2006, 01:32 PM

That should make my upcoming 1200R purchase even faster!!!! Zooooooom!

Word is that the new 883's will have 15% more torque at 2500RPM-I am sure that the 1200r's will have more also.

Big Daddy C

07-14-2006, 02:02 PM

EFI basically make it a stage 1 out of the box.... SCHWEET!

dcom

07-14-2006, 02:53 PM

They have announcements on all the new HD models for 2007 on the MoCo's website:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/CO/NEW/en/news.asp?locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US

Look at all the 7/14 press releases

Basically, all the big Harley's (Dynas, Softails, and Touring bikes) are getting 96 c.u. engines and 6-speed transmissions.

prester_john

07-14-2006, 04:01 PM

So the new Sportsters will be fuel injected, just like the '07 Yamaha C3 50cc scooter. Rumors are that the '08 Urals will be EFI, too. ;)

In other news, Harley heads to India:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1725559.cms

Tom

mbossman2

07-14-2006, 04:22 PM

EFI will be required to meet the latest EPA emissions controls. IIRC all bikes will be be EFI by 09(?) with catalytic converters.

lostlogic

07-14-2006, 04:29 PM

EFI will be required to meet the latest EPA emissions controls. IIRC all bikes will be be EFI by 09(?) with catalytic converters.
Not necessarily -- Honda designed a catalytic converter compatible carb system for the 599, so it can meet strict CARB guidelines for this and coming years w/o EFI.

E-Man

07-14-2006, 04:58 PM

Harley updated their website too. Pretty cool...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2007_Motorcycles/2007_Motorcycles.jsp?swfsection=family&swffamily=sp&locale=en_US

RockyMtnRoadRash

07-14-2006, 07:04 PM

midknyte

07-14-2006, 07:08 PM

EFI will be required to meet the latest EPA emissions controls. IIRC all bikes will be be EFI by 09(?) with catalytic converters.

Dunno if EFI is needed to meet regs, unless it is specifically stated. But our current crop of Buells all meet epa regs without cats for several years out still.

E-Man

07-14-2006, 07:32 PM

Wow. Never let it be said that Harley doesn't know who they're selling to. That's great stuff.

So true. HOG Magazine and "The Enthusiast" prove to me that working for Harley is a marketing student's wet dream.

prester_john

07-14-2006, 07:57 PM

EFI will be required to meet the latest EPA emissions controls. IIRC all bikes will be be EFI by 09(?) with catalytic converters.

The Honda Elite 80, designed in the late 1970s, meets the 2010 USA EPA emission regulations.

If you look at the EPA data on their web site, you'll see a great number of carb'd bikes that meet all future USA emission requirements. It's a world market these days, though, and meeting the much more demanding EUROIII is a different kettle of fish.

Tom

Logan

07-15-2006, 12:18 AM

2007 Harley's:
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2007models/2007models-HarleyDavidson.htm

50th anniversery sportster :thumbsup:

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2007models/2007-Harley-Davidson-Sportster-50thAnniversarySportsterLimitedEditiona-small.jpg

Also, not to be overlooked is the expansion of it's use of reduced effort clutches. Very nice feature for those who shift a lot.

Plus, 6 speed tranny's for everyone now!

E-Man

07-17-2006, 01:11 PM

No 6 speed for the Sporty's as of yet...I bet it is coming next year though.

Big Daddy C

07-17-2006, 01:15 PM

I hope not, ther five speed box is well spaced, and just fine for me!

Logan

07-17-2006, 02:29 PM

No 6 speed for the Sporty's as of yet...I bet it is coming next year though.

Yep, you're right.

Everyone else gets 'em though

MsPotatoPotatoHead

07-17-2006, 03:05 PM

I hope not, ther five speed box is well spaced, and just fine for me!

Hell, I don't even use fifth gear unless I'm doing over 70 on mine. Sixth speed would be virtually useless on a Sportster.

Todd, you just gotta keep your rpms up around 2800 - then it doesn't vibrate. Also gets better gas mileage that way, oddly enough. Riding a Sportster was definitely a learning experience for me - shift into 2nd gear at 15 mph - BOG. Shift into 2nd gear at 45 mph - WHEEEEEEEEEE!

MsPotatoPotatoHead

07-17-2006, 03:10 PM

Harley updated their website too. Pretty cool...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2007_Motorcycles/2007_Motorcycles.jsp?swfsection=family&swffamily=sp&locale=en_US

Love it. Torque is indeed the word! Torque is the reason I've never been completely happy with any bike until I rode a Harley. Torque is the reason I have a '67 Chevelle SS big block. Torque is the reason for the season! A car without torque is like dinner without dessert. A bike without torque is like sex without an orgasm. ;)

kflippo

07-17-2006, 04:06 PM

Big Daddy C

07-18-2006, 11:08 AM

I think I need to head down to the Harley dealer.... NOW!!!!!

midknyte

07-18-2006, 11:43 AM

...A bike without torque is like sex without an orgasm. ;)

Nuthin like a gal screaming "Potato! Potato! Potato!"

E-Man

07-19-2006, 08:03 AM

Hell, I don't even use fifth gear unless I'm doing over 70 on mine. Sixth speed would be virtually useless on a Sportster.

Todd, you just gotta keep your rpms up around 2800 - then it doesn't vibrate. Also gets better gas mileage that way, oddly enough. Riding a Sportster was definitely a learning experience for me - shift into 2nd gear at 15 mph - BOG. Shift into 2nd gear at 45 mph - WHEEEEEEEEEE!

Yes! Shift into second in the 40's and boom! I hit the rev limiter at just under 50 in 1st.

With the rubbermounted engine, the Sporty is smooth-no vibration problems at all. The stock seat is the trouble point (as it is on many bikes). Too bad it looks so good.

That being said, when on the highway, there are times when I am trying to shift into 6th LOL!

prester_john

07-19-2006, 12:00 PM

With the rubbermounted engine, the Sporty is smooth-no vibration problems at all.
I've done informal surveys of motorcycles on tours during my road trips for the last decade or so. A tip of the hat to "Then Came Bronson", but in years past I'd never see a Sportster out on the open road. The last couple of years I've noted quite a number of late model vib-isolated Sportsters on tour, by themselves and mixing it up in packs of big twins.

Tom

PS: I still wonder why the Motor Company didn't rubber mount the Sporty engine thirty years ago.

midknyte

07-19-2006, 12:36 PM

PS: I still wonder why the Motor Company didn't rubber mount the Sporty engine thirty years ago.

There are a LOT of things about Harleys that are, or rather, still are the way they are due to customer back-pressure. It may well have been that people who rode them felt that they should vibrate all over the place.

The look and feel of a Harley is really deeply engrained. I really wish Harley would stretch and smooth the lines out ala VStar (http://www.longwood.edu/staff/grahamjr/images/vstar.jpg). The VRODS are just starting to.

asp125

07-19-2006, 12:54 PM

Nuthin like a gal screaming "Potato! Potato! Potato!"
:crackup:
Waiter, I'll have what she's having.

VRods are cool.... uhh wait, did I just say that out loud? :shock:

Big Daddy C

07-19-2006, 02:08 PM

I'm just waiting for HD to let Eric start playing with that power plant......

E-Man

07-19-2006, 02:57 PM

I wonder if not going to rubber-mount in the past was really to expedite the rider to move to the big twins (if they wanted to stay with Harley)?

E-Man

07-19-2006, 03:01 PM

Then again, by making the big twin engines larger this year (from 88 cu in to 96), they have enhanced the demand for those bikes from exisiting big twin riders too.

E-Man

07-19-2006, 03:03 PM

I'm just waiting for HD to let Eric start playing with that power plant......

They have taken some things from Buell (like the killer heads in the 1200r), but yeah, it would be cool to see more engineering from Buell.

Geeze, it would be nice to see more Buells...my local HD/Buell dealer only has 3 Buells on the floor (vs. about 20 Harley's).

keystonejenks

07-19-2006, 03:13 PM

I'm just waiting for HD to let Eric start playing with that power plant......

No, what would be nice is if they shifted some money his way so he could develop his own power plant.

keystonejenks

07-19-2006, 03:16 PM

Love it. Torque is indeed the word! Torque is the reason I've never been completely happy with any bike until I rode a Harley. Torque is the reason I have a '67 Chevelle SS big block. Torque is the reason for the season! A car without torque is like dinner without dessert. A bike without torque is like sex without an orgasm. ;)

You must have never ridden a Triumph, they're all about Torque. Hell, the Triumph company magazine is called Torque. :thumbsup:

That being said, I agree with your other post. There really is no need for any Harley to have 6 gears, goes against that engines design.

MsPotatoPotatoHead

07-19-2006, 05:00 PM

You must have never ridden a Triumph, they're all about Torque. Hell, the Triumph company magazine is called Torque. :thumbsup:

That being said, I agree with your other post. There really is no need for any Harley to have 6 gears, goes against that engines design.

No I haven't ridden a Triumph and hope to remedy that someday soon. I do love the look and feel of the Speedmaster (I've sat on a couple of them not running). Was there a specific Triumph model you were referring to? The Rocket III seems like it'd have plenty of torque! :lol:

keystonejenks

07-20-2006, 07:35 AM

Was there a specific Triumph model you were referring to? The Rocket III seems like it'd have plenty of torque! :lol:

Well, I was just keeping cruisers in mind seeing how you're a cruiser kind of gal. But yes if you think 140 hp @ 6000 rpm w/ 147 ft lb. @ 2500 interest you, than you might want to give a Rocket III a demo. :mrgreen:

The Rocket III is a big bike but I was surprised (shocked actually) how nimble and light the bike was. The weight is carried low.

The Speedmaster is an interesting bike but your current bike(s) have 69 ft lb. @ 3300 (Sportster) and 75 ft lb. @ 3000 (Softail); so I don't think you'd find any performance advanteges with the Speedmasters 51 ft lb. @ 4800.

That being said, Triumph makes a nice bike. In fact, I think they're one of the more unappreciated manufacturers.