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valgal

08-27-2005, 10:20 AM

Missy, when the kids are a little older take them. It is hard to sit with an under 8 year old unless they are real easy going.

Here we have the T Birds (WHL) and they play in a relatively small stadium and there are always people with other kids my kid knows.

Because the kids sell raffle tickets for their organization during the game, everybody knows everybody it seems.

So the kids meet up and have a grand time.

Since the place is so small it is easy to see where your kid is if you remember what they are wearing.

He knows where his buddies are sitting and tells me the section they are in, I just watch as he walks over to it.

Overall though the games I enjoy the most are the kid games. Even the games my son is not in. I just love watching them.

Val

Caddie

08-27-2005, 11:40 AM

I lived in North Dakota from age nine to fifteen. Because I didn't learn to skate until we moved there, I was about eight and a half years behind... I enjoyed some pickup games, but it was the one sport my mother wouldn't let me play simply because she knew everyone else skated like it was second nature, and I'd get hurt trying to play catch-up.

We used to say, "Went to a fight the other day & a hockey game broke out."

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CAPS! CAPS! CAPS!

valgal

08-27-2005, 10:30 PM

yea, I have heard that too. And too much fighting does occur in the game.

Oh but if you can raise your kid to play good hockey and learn to control his temper at the same time, what a lesson in self discipline you have given him.

I am hoping to be doing this.

Man my kid got totally clobbered in his last game up in Penticton Hockey Camp. He tripped over the goalie going in for a rebound while the goalie was going to cover it. He flew just missed the goal post and lander to the right of the net. Then a D guy tripped to and landed right on top of my guy.

He got up and it didn't look good at first, stumbled to the bench but was back out by his shift and played the remainder of the game (just in first period) He played well and always had a grin under his face mask.

Later that afternoon we were crossing the border and he was talking to what looked like a 13 or 14 year old kid a head and a half taller and a good 50 pounds heaver (my kid is a strapping 67 pounds tops) They were smiling and goofing off. When we got back to the car I asked him who that was and he said one of the kids on the white team. I said, 'He looks too old". He said "Mom I should know he was the one that flattened me out in first period.

I was mighty proud at that moment. He played hard, got clobbered and not only came out smiling but understood it as incidental contact in an agressive game and that off the ice this kid was still a hockey buddy he met at camp.

It is though indeed a game that you have to get into early. My eldest tried to get into it as a teenager and it is almost impossible to catch up. He was a good skater but when it came to learning the rest, it was tough. Once you get to that age you almost have to wait to join an adult league at age 18 where you are "rated" and put in a division according to your ability.

Val

azpenguin

08-28-2005, 12:34 AM

I'm with MissyB, except without the kids problem. AZ Icecats! (It's fun sitting down in the penalty box, working the latch for the players. They get mad for some reason when you don't let 'em out 20 seconds early...)

valgal

08-28-2005, 08:53 PM

AZPenguin, Wouldn't you be placing yourself in mortal danger if you didn't leave them out on time?????

I get a kick out of watching the kids go into the box, their facial expressions just crack me up. "What, me, not me ref, are you blind??"

Oh it is so much fun.

azpenguin

08-28-2005, 09:32 PM

On time is not a problem. They want out when that timer reads 1:59... and they wonder what they're still doing in there when it reads :20. You put your hands on the latch at :10, pop the latch at :05, and swing that door at :01 so they are on the ice the instant it reads :00. And, yep, the "whaddya mean that's on me?" expressions are hilarious...

subvetSSN606

08-28-2005, 10:13 PM

What do you all think of the new rules in the NHL?

I no likey.

Tom

valgal

08-28-2005, 10:15 PM

Tom, I haven't seen the new rules. What don't you likey?

AZ, You mean the big guys make that same pathetic self righteous face going to the box as the 10 year olds do?? I like the kids that go to the box with a S#$% eating grin on their faces, they may be rascals but they are atleast honest with themselves.

subvetSSN606

08-28-2005, 11:17 PM

azpenguin

08-29-2005, 02:11 AM

Yep, agree about the new restrictions on the goalie.
What I think is really going to liven things up is getting rid of the two-line pass rule. You can get some great action out of that - it makes the college games we go to a lot more fun. I'm not sure about the "tag-up" rule, though - guess we'll have to see how that one plays out. It'll take a lot of getting used to for the refs, that's for sure.

Atkins

08-29-2005, 10:11 AM

What I think is really going to liven things up is getting rid of the two-line pass rule. You can get some great action out of that - it makes the college games we go to a lot more fun.

I hope you're right. I wonder though that without the 2 line pass rule the defensemen will be less likely to move up to help in offense, since they won't want to get beat getting back behind their blue line.

I like that they won't have ties, and will settle with the shootout when necessary.

valgal

08-29-2005, 10:44 AM

Wow, they are making some changes, I wonder how it will impact on the rules for the kids.

I am not a fan of touch icing, too many injuries. The usual response is "well this is hockey". A game does not have to have too many injuries to be a great game any more than we need to go without our helmets to make motorcycling a great activity.

I border on whether I like not being able to ice the puck to change lines. I suppose it will demonstrate which team has more athletic endurance to take this advantage to icing the puck away. I like it for the kids but NHL is a different ball of wax.

The tag up rule is a cop out for sloppy playing. If they are not going to let the guys use icing to change lines, why then have a tag up "exemption" for off sides?

I am 1000000% in support of the instigator rules and the emphasis on keeping the game clean. Part of what I love about the game on a youth level is teaching a kid to control his temper in tough circumstances. If that same kid is going to NHL and semi pro games and being given a costant example that loosing the temper is acceptable and desirable it is hard to teach that lesson.

A side comment. It is a misnomer that kids who play hockey are thugs. My kid while very agressive and competitive is one of the most peacable kids to play with. I have proudly received reports from school that he is more apt to walk away from a fight or to diffuse the tension than to escalate it. I owe this partly to playing hockey under the strict rules of no fighting, no retaliation.

I don't like either the goal tender limitation or the reduction in their pads. It is suppose to be hard to score. If it is made easier to score, anyone will be able to do it. I'd like to think that I am watching a game that not anyone can play and that when a person scores they have really accomplished something. I also like watching the goalies go out on a limb, it adds excitment to the game.

A comment on something I don't like in youth hockey. When the goalie clearly goes down on the puck kids are still encouraged to continue to dig for it if the referee is too slow at blowing the whistle. Refs are slow and pile ups happen. Pile ups can be dangerous and are unnecessary. Parents and coaches wish to say that the ensuing risk or accidents are the referrees fault for not blowing soon enough. I say that every athelete out there is fullyaware when the puck is down and need not be told by a whistle. In the respect for the safety of their competitors it would do us well to tell our kids to exert discretion and self discipline. A goal for your team is not worth risking injury to anyone out there when it is clearly determined that this is a dangerous practice.

I wonder if these changes will eventually be seen in youth hockey. with the exception of the emphasis on violence, I hope not.

valgal

08-29-2005, 10:45 AM

I do like shoot outs though, good drama and certainly better than leaving a game with a tie.

Paduan

08-29-2005, 12:43 PM

Hockey is my midlife crisis.

I started skating at age 50, at the suggestion of an orthopedic surgeon. (I have not had to have the knee replaced as a result of his "prescription".)

Having become quickly bored with skating in a circle. I discovered adult recreational hockey, which is a huge deal in Fairbanks, Alaska.

I took some player classes, and then joined the beginners league.

I played defense for three years, winger for two years, and at age 56 decided to become a goalie. I discovered that when I watched hockey, I always ended up watching the goalie.

After my first year in the net, they made me move up to the intermediate league. Last year, I played my regular games in intermediate, and was allowed to sub in the advanced tire with semis, college and juniors. And they are allowed to check and hit.

As minding the net is largely a mental, however sick, endeavor, my advancing physical status is less of a factor that trying to keep up with the speed merchants half my age. At 6'4", I have an advantage of intimidation and sheer space occupation. Yes, I can do a pretty respectable butterfly, and the players hate my hands.

What an incredible gas! I have participated in lots of other sports, even professionally as a ski instructor in younger times, but IMO hockey has the most challenging skill set of any sport out there.

In addition to the thrills and spills, the physical demands have returned me to and kept me in the best relative condition of my life. My doctor says that I am healthier and stronger than most 30 year old men. Think about putting on 50 pounds of armor and then hurling yourself onto the ground 60 to 75 times in an hour. Goalies don't skate shifts, we have to play the whole game.

I enjoy an occasional NHL or college game, but nothing compares to being on the ice in the midst of 10 swirling vikings. With sticks and a rock.

Kids hockey? This sport can turn out some excellent young citizens, but I think that the parents frequently put too much pressure on their kids and the game.

By the way - Goalies are well-known for our flexibility and endurance. Women love that!

valgal

08-29-2005, 12:58 PM

Ya couldn't resist that last sentence Paduan, huh?

Parents totally ruin any sport. I really work hard at letting my kid take the lead and to have fun. I do however put my foot down when it comes to bad behavior and unsportsmanlike conduct. I have what is called a "no shit" policy on that. Otherwise I tell my kid to play hard and have fun.

My husband has been playing on a div 6 team, I don't know if he will sign up this fall or not as he is traveling so much. I hope so as I enjoy his games and also enjoy what it does for him. Need I say more?

I would play too if I did not have minor problems with my hips and ankles that prevent me from skating well enough. I'd never make it past div 8 and would be a deficit to the folks on that team too!

Paduan

08-29-2005, 01:02 PM

Not that we take our amateur hockey seriously, but this is me asking a winger how far up his digestive system he wants me to insert my light saber.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/Paduan/025.jpg

Paduan

08-29-2005, 01:07 PM

Ya couldn't resist that last sentence Paduan, huh?
Just clarifying any misconceptions as to who the real men and women are on the ice.

And in all fairness, I must mention that I cannot watch our women goalies warm up and stretch.

It just totally obliterates my mental functions....

Chrystal

08-29-2005, 01:15 PM

P, you're pretty hot in that whole hockey getup.

Nice.

valgal

08-29-2005, 01:26 PM

Just clarifying any misconceptions as to who the real men and women are on the ice.

And in all fairness, I must mention that I cannot watch our women goalies warm up and stretch.

It just totally obliterates my mental functions....

LOL, I enjoy watching the male goalies stretch. And I dont care about what it is doing to my mental functions. Oh the joy of being a spectator.

Paduan

08-29-2005, 01:26 PM

P, you're pretty hot in that whole hockey getup.

Nice.
Well, thanks.

I appeciate the thought, however kind.

I must say that there is nothing sexier than a woman in full hockey gear. Even more than a woman on her own bike.

We have a very skilled and active group of women playing hockey up here. There is a women's league, and a lot of the ladies play in the "adult" league.

It's how the pants look on their butts, the gear and the stick, and the knowledge that they are all hot and sweaty under all that stuff.

They are so....

valgal

08-29-2005, 01:28 PM

Paduan, You do have a bit of a presence in the net, I must admit.

valgal

08-29-2005, 01:37 PM

Paduan, You totally crack me up. You obviously have a brisk response to hockey smell. Val

Smitty

08-29-2005, 01:42 PM

Not me anymore. Like most young kids that live in Western Canada I would go to school with hocket stick in hand, & playing hockey all along the steets. No shortage or worry about loosing a puck as we used frozen horse turds which could be accidently put through the window of someone's home.

Like other kids I played hockey & my father flooded the back yard to make a small skating rink for other kids & myself on the street.

Still I went into comp speedskating & not trying for the dream of the NHL. Still when TV became avaliable in late 50s I enjoyed some games still once the major leages were broken up & broken up again then I lost all interest as I did not know who was on the ice other then two hockey teams. Did not know what they used for attack team, defensive team & such.

The fighting was something I could not accept. It looked like plain stupidity & later realized that fans counted on blood & guts sort of incidents.

Ran across an American, I was to work with him a few yrs to help run his m/c business. All he could do was talk about American Football, the Rose Bowl & such. Still by accident he attened a local Jr hockey team & not more then 15' from him he saw seveal fights & blood flying. THAT outdid football & now his main sport was hockey. Often wonder what his interest is now since he went back to the States.

Paduan

08-29-2005, 01:47 PM

During my first season in the net, a group of out better women players put together a "comp" team.

They used our "adult" intermediate league as their practice forum.

During the season playoffs, they lost their regular goalie to a minor injury.

They asked me to sub for them, even though it put them at a bit of an adavantage.

They said that they wanted me to play for them because I was "cute" and they all had a huge crush on me.

Which was probably just something said to help me with my confidence factor. (But I can dream.)

To the point:

They insisted that I share their locker room with them before and after every game.

OMG! Talk about everyman's fantasy!

I still have not recovered......

(I was always the first to arrive at the rink.)

Mingez

08-29-2005, 01:50 PM

I play and watch.

My Team:
San Jose Sharks!

Who do I despise? The Colorado Avalanche.

http://www.signaturetumblers.com/images/NHL/NHL_San_Jose_Sharks.jpg
GOOOOO SHARKS!

valgal

08-29-2005, 01:51 PM

Paduan, You have gone out of your mind, You OD'ed on woman scent.

valgal

08-29-2005, 01:54 PM

Smitty, The things you say is why I hope the new rules on 0 tolerance will clean up the game. I too hate the fighting. I find that in our organization fighting is kept at a minimum for the kids. There are some Dad's that seem to think their kid needs to defend themselves if they believe a cheap shot has been taken, and defending with fists is OK with them. I have told my kid that unless it is true defense of self any use of fists will have his mother pulling him off the ice. He knows it and he complies. The embarassment would do him in if mom came out and pulled him off. I am certain that hockey can do for a kid a great deal. It can also do to them if parenting is not intact. Val

Chrystal

08-29-2005, 02:01 PM

I hate to say this but my favorite thing about hockey is the "woosh" that follows the puck on TV.

Oh, and the zamboni drivers in their tuxes. They're hot too.

Paduan

08-29-2005, 02:02 PM

Paduan, You have gone out of your mind, You OD'ed on woman scent.
So, where's the downside in this?

Chrystal

08-29-2005, 02:08 PM

So, where's the downside in this?

You're married.

AnthonyC

08-29-2005, 02:33 PM

I like that they won't have ties, and will settle with the shootout when necessary.

Personally, this is the one new rule I truly despise. I've always been of the opinion that if two teams play the game and end up tied so be it. A team that works hard for an entire game doesn't deserve to have it snatched away from them in some arbitrary end-of-match mini-competition. Either a team wins during the run of play or they don't. If the two teams played to a draw, give them both credit for it. Obviously in the playoffs something different may need to happen to ensure a winner but there is no need for it during the regular season.

Major League Soccer did something like this for several years, first with a shootout then with a golden-goal overtime. Their justification was that they didn't think the American public could appreciate a tie for what it was so "someone had to win". After several years they came to their senses and now the result stands as a tie with 1 point (instead of 3) going to each team. I applaud their decision and it has had an effect in the standings over the last couple of years. It may only be one point but it adds up over the course of a season.

Ant

JohnBryer

08-29-2005, 02:54 PM

See my Avatar! Go Penguins!

Paduan

08-29-2005, 03:11 PM

You're married.
But not yet dead.

A corollary:

Beautiful art can be appreciated by all. One does not have to own a painting to to appreciate it. And, the more one studies art, the more one understands and appreciates all art.

Or some such bullshit like that....

Atkins

08-29-2005, 03:18 PM

Personally, this is the one new rule I truly despise. I've always been of the opinion that if two teams play the game and end up tied so be it. A team that works hard for an entire game doesn't deserve to have it snatched away from them in some arbitrary end-of-match mini-competition. Either a team wins during the run of play or they don't. If the two teams played to a draw, give them both credit for it. Obviously in the playoffs something different may need to happen to ensure a winner but there is no need for it during the regular season.

Ant

I can appreciate that. Obviously it's better to have a winner in regulation, and they will still have an overtime first. I just think now there is every reason for teams to always play for the win, instead of just the tie down the stretch. I saw many games where both teams played real defensively, and conservatively at the end of the game, and only turned it on in OT once they were assured of at least a point. Obviously no team wants to lose and especially not in a shootout. Hopefully it will encourage all out play to win in regulation, holding nothing back offensively. I think that is the intent, but we'll see if it actually helps or not.

Chrystal

08-29-2005, 03:47 PM

I meant bad for us.

AnthonyC

08-29-2005, 03:52 PM

I can appreciate that. Obviously it's better to have a winner in regulation, and they will still have an overtime first. I just think now there is every reason for teams to always play for the win, instead of just the tie down the stretch. I saw many games where both teams played real defensively, and conservatively at the end of the game, and only turned it on in OT once they were assured of at least a point. Obviously no team wants to lose and especially not in a shootout. Hopefully it will encourage all out play to win in regulation, holding nothing back offensively. I think that is the intent, but we'll see if it actually helps or not.

Yeah, I pretty much hated the old overtime system too. IMHO, either make it a draw and give them each a point or make it a true overtime and only the winner gets points. The old overtime system seemed to encourage garbage at the end of the game until they had their point.

Ant

valgal

08-29-2005, 04:11 PM

Or some such bullshit like that....

Yeah, pretty much that's what you are doing with that one!!!

valgal

08-29-2005, 04:17 PM

I can appreciate that. Obviously it's better to have a winner in regulation, and they will still have an overtime first. I just think now there is every reason for teams to always play for the win, instead of just the tie down the stretch. I saw many games where both teams played real defensively, and conservatively at the end of the game, and only turned it on in OT once they were assured of at least a point. Obviously no team wants to lose and especially not in a shootout. Hopefully it will encourage all out play to win in regulation, holding nothing back offensively. I think that is the intent, but we'll see if it actually helps or not.

I too agree, I don't want to watch a game that is played for the "sure thing" of a point towards the standings, I want to see all out pull all the stops competition.

Val

jixaw

08-29-2005, 04:42 PM

I am an avid fan of hockey of all kinds.....I like to watch college hockey live, because there arent as many commerical breaks...and these kids like to play hard

I play hockey...and I am a goaltender too....something special about that position that I cant describe....

Paduan

08-30-2005, 09:20 AM

I play hockey...and I am a goaltender too....something special about that position that I cant describe....
Something about depriving the forwards of any joy?

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 09:23 AM

Hockey season is fast approaching.......

Who is a fan? Which teams do you follow?

Anyone play?

Anyone have kids who play?

My kid plays. It is a totally awesome sport to watch your kid play in.

We just got back from a week in Penticton where he attended hockey camp. He has had two tryouts for his team.

I will be managing his team and he will have a great coach this year. I am so stoked about hockey season starting.

Val

I am a big fan. Ottawa Senators are my NHL team. Ottawa 67's and Peterborough Pete's are my favorite Jr. teams

I play sporadiacally (a few times a year) in a rec league but I may do more this year.

Can't wait till the puck drops.

Dale

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 09:25 AM

I never played ice hockey, used to watch, but haven't followed any teams in years.

I used to play field hockey.

Just a hint.

It is NOT called ICE Hockey, it is just plain old simple Hockey. Hockey played on ice is simply Hockey (rant off)

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 09:36 AM

What do you all think of the new rules in the NHL?

I no likey.

Tom

I like the fact they made the goalie equipment smaller (but same thickness to protect) some of these guys looked like a wall with their equipment on.

I like the fact they limited where the goalies can play the puck behind their net.

I like they idea of no red line. Make for a more offensive game

I like the touch up offsides (if you proceed the puck into the offensive zone you can come back and touch the blue line and not stop the game -as long as you dont touch the puck in the offensive zone untill you have tagged)

I like that they say thy are going to get tougher on obstruction penalies (they say that every year but we will see if it happens)

Overall I like them

It should be interesting

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 09:39 AM

Here: http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3821612

Some I'm OK with... some not so OK with.

I especially don't like the new rule on goalies handling the puck. Sorry, if you're gonna dump it in, the goalie should be able to grab it and make a pass, no matter where it is. Part of a goalie's job is to make the judgement whether that's too risky or not.

I also hate to lose the excitement of a loose puck late in a game, and who's gonna get to it first... that gear laden goalie, or the flying left-winger.

Tom

Tom part of the problem though. If you touch the goalie you will be penalized. If they said to the goalie, here is your crease if you are touched in there it is Goaltender interference BUT if you go outside the crease you are like any other player and you will get rubbed into the boards, I would be ok with it.

However the goalies equipment is ok for a frontal assault of pucks but not ok at the side or back as much as regular equipment (from what goalies have told me)

p.s in old NHL (50's) they were not allowed to flop on the ice either so things have changed

Dale

Paduan

08-30-2005, 06:09 PM

I meant bad for us.
An unsubstantiated assumption...

subvetSSN606

08-30-2005, 06:26 PM

Tom part of the problem though. If you touch the goalie you will be penalized. If they said to the goalie, here is your crease if you are touched in there it is Goaltender interference BUT if you go outside the crease you are like any other player and you will get rubbed into the boards, I would be ok with it.

However the goalies equipment is ok for a frontal assault of pucks but not ok at the side or back as much as regular equipment (from what goalies have told me)

p.s in old NHL (50's) they were not allowed to flop on the ice either so things have changed

Dale

As I understand it the goalie already was fair game outside the crease, as far as a penalty goes. However there is sort of an unwritten understanding to not lay him out or you'll be having a "conversation" with his team's "enforcer."

Tom

Paduan

08-30-2005, 06:32 PM

As I understand it the goalie already was fair game outside the crease, as far as a penalty goes. However there is sort of an unwritten understanding to not lay him out or you'll be having a "conversation" with his team's "enforcer."

Tom
If our "enforcer" can get to the perp before I do.

I'll chase'em all the way up to the blue line.

I am what they refer to as an "active goalie".

Regnaston may be able to shed some light on this term for you southerners.

Paduan

08-30-2005, 06:34 PM

Our local rec hockey season is still about 5 weeks away, but I'm getting somewhat warm and runny over all this talk of violence and confrontation.

Smitty

08-30-2005, 07:43 PM

Good point valgal only it does not jive with all parents & coaches. I was one of the few Certified Amateur Wrestling Coaches in the B.C. Interior. It was agreed that the coach with the most weight catagory winners was the one to be in charge of the kids when we all went to Greater Vancouver for the FINALS.

Okay so my team places 2nd twice, but first the other 8 yrs. That meant that where my team did not win in wt catagories then I would have some other lad from another school. A bit hard to help advise them, get to know them & such for the 3 or 4 days of being there.

Still there was this lad from Kelowna who spoke to me & simply amazed that after the first match or two, which he had won or possibly only the loss of one (two losses & one is finished) that some of the young wrestlers were telling him what he should have done or how best to go after the next wrestler he was to take on. He was simply amazed for you see he was a hockey player & NO ONe from another team tells things like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So the difference between young hockey players & young Amateur Wrestlers.

Also my best friend, when I lived in Banff, Alberta National Park was the late Art Crowchuck & good fishing guide but a fantastic hockey player. Like super fast on skates, could cut around anyone, handle the buck like magic best of passing & hot on obtaining goals.

I actually saw Art being one of the Albertain players that took on the Russian Red Team TWICE when they were in Alberta. He was faster then them on skates, better in stick-puck handeling, passing, receiving of passes & such. Like I mean this was the ONE Albertain hockey player the Russian Army Red Team simply could not beat also in those two times it was Art that obtained the most points for the Albertain team. If you know about the Russian Red Army team back in the 50s they had remarkable skaters, stick/puck handlers & simply wonderful passing

Saw Conrad Stenton, some-one I grew up with from childhood to 10 yrs of age & he was a super hockey player in those young yrs. He actually was drafted into one of the NHL Hockey teams, Chicago I think, only in his first few games he had a few spills & then a few more. Seems from past yrs in hockey he had taken some darn hard blows (this would be in the days of no protective head gear) & a tumor was causing him to loose balance. So Conrad was scouting & down looking at this small team in Canmore that I basically saw all the time since Art played there.

I pointed out Art Crowchuck to him & he said he had seen him against the Russians & probably the most amazing player he had ever seen ONLY Art only weighed 135lbs & the teams he represented wanted BIG guys they would teach how to skate &play hockey THEIR way.

That is hockey for you if you like big bruisers & fights on the ice which is one of the reasons so many go to the games besides wanting THEIR team to win not matter how dirty the game was.

AReeves

08-30-2005, 07:57 PM

Don't know much about ice hockey but my son has season tix to the San Jose Sharks
and we've attended some of their games over the years. Out of all the professional
sporting events (with the exception of motorcycle racing) I have been to, watching
ice hockey has been the most fun, intense, brutal, amazing.

Val- my son wrestled in grade school, high school and college. I know what you
mean anticipating the matches. We feel the same way about collegiate wrestling and
will always watch it when on tv. Miss going to tournaments and the commaraderie
amongst the wrestling community. Have a good season! -Ann

subvetSSN606

08-30-2005, 08:40 PM

HockeyCoach

08-30-2005, 09:18 PM

I have two kids playing. A 14 year old Bantam and a 12 year old Peewee. I'm coaching the younger one this year. I had my older son's team last year, but one season of dealing with teenagers that know absolutely everything was enough to make me decide to volunteer for the younger kids this year. I love the game more than any other sport and I really enjoy watching the kids develop their skills. Just got back on the ice this past Sunday for the first time since April. Looking forward to the season very much.

Jon

HockeyCoach

08-30-2005, 09:23 PM

I like the touch up offsides (if you proceed the puck into the offensive zone you can come back and touch the blue line and not stop the game -as long as you dont touch the puck in the offensive zone untill you have tagged)

I like that change too. Too bad USA Hockey wouldn't institute that change for our youth hockey leagues. Dear God I hate that immediate whistle!!

HockeyCoach

08-30-2005, 09:40 PM

A comment on something I don't like in youth hockey. When the goalie clearly goes down on the puck kids are still encouraged to continue to dig for it if the referee is too slow at blowing the whistle. Refs are slow and pile ups happen. Pile ups can be dangerous and are unnecessary. Parents and coaches wish to say that the ensuing risk or accidents are the referrees fault for not blowing soon enough. I say that every athelete out there is fullyaware when the puck is down and need not be told by a whistle. In the respect for the safety of their competitors it would do us well to tell our kids to exert discretion and self discipline. A goal for your team is not worth risking injury to anyone out there when it is clearly determined that this is a dangerous practice.

My experience since I've been coaching has been that the pile ups occur when players continue to hack at the goalie after the whistle has been blown. My defensemen are instructed to politely (meaning without using the stick or making head contact) escort the assailant out of the crease when this occurs. I've found that when both teams respect the whistle, this sort of nonsense does not occur.

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 09:57 PM

If our "enforcer" can get to the perp before I do.

I'll chase'em all the way up to the blue line.

I am what they refer to as an "active goalie".

Regnaston may be able to shed some light on this term for you southerners.

LOL an 'Active Goalie' in my terms is one who you may not find in the net at all times, but he may be wandering behind the net, to the corners or even forward towards his blue line to get a puck.

Was that good enough Paduan ;-)

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 10:00 PM

Don't know much about ice hockey but my son has season tix to the San Jose Sharks
and we've attended some of their games over the years. Out of all the professional
sporting events (with the exception of motorcycle racing) I have been to, watching
ice hockey has been the most fun, intense, brutal, amazing.

[RANT ON] IT'S CALLED HOCKEY NOT ICE HOCKEY, ANYTHING THAT ISN"T PLAYED ON ICE IS A TAKEOFF OF THE ORIGINAL AND CAN BE CALLED ______ HOCKEY BUT NOT GOOD OLD REGULAR HOCKEY [RANT OFF]

Glad you guys are watching though :-D

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 10:01 PM

As I understand it the goalie already was fair game outside the crease, as far as a penalty goes. However there is sort of an unwritten understanding to not lay him out or you'll be having a "conversation" with his team's "enforcer."

Tom

Nope you intentionally impact the goalie anywhere and you could get called for Goaltender interference. (Plus the enforcer will be on you)

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/develop/officials/rulebook/rule66.html

Interference with the goaltender".
Note: A goaltender is "not fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) or charging (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) shall be called where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with the goaltender. Likewise, Referees should be alert to penalize goaltenders for tripping, slashing, or spearing in the vicinity of the goal.
Unless the puck is in the goal crease area, a player of the attacking side may not stand in the goal crease. If the puck should enter the net while such conditions prevail the goal shall not be allowed. If an attacking player has physically interfered with the goaltender, prior to or during the scoring of the goal, the goal will be disallowed and a penalty for "interference with the goaltender" shall be assessed and announced. The ensuing face-off shall be taken in the neutral zone, at the face-off spot nearest the attacking zone of the offending team.

AReeves

08-30-2005, 10:54 PM

[RANT ON] IT'S CALLED HOCKEY NOT ICE HOCKEY, ANYTHING THAT ISN"T PLAYED ON ICE IS A TAKEOFF OF THE ORIGINAL AND CAN BE CALLED ______ HOCKEY BUT NOT GOOD OLD REGULAR HOCKEY [RANT OFF]

Glad you guys are watching though :-D
:heyyou:
I do believe that field hockey fans would disagree with you,
it has been around much longer than ice hockey
and since you did quote me, you must have read where I
mentioned I didn't know much about it.
EXCUSE ME! Didn't know you hockey guys were
so sensitive. LOL. -Ann

Regnaston

08-30-2005, 11:38 PM

:heyyou:
I do believe that field hockey fans would disagree with you,
it has been around much longer than ice hockey
and since you did quote me, you must have read where I
mentioned I didn't know much about it.
EXCUSE ME! Didn't know you hockey guys were
so sensitive. LOL. -Ann

LOL we are a sensitive bunch

Wasn't really yelling even though I had all caps. Just a Pet Peeve

Dale

BTW a form of Field hockey probably predates the more popular HOCKEY.. But Hockey played on ice is stil in my books the King of all hockey's all others are pretenders to the throne

valgal

08-30-2005, 11:49 PM

subvetSSN606

08-30-2005, 11:58 PM

Nope you intentionally impact the goalie anywhere and you could get called for Goaltender interference. (Plus the enforcer will be on you)

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/develop/officials/rulebook/rule66.html

Interference with the goaltender".
Note: A goaltender is "not fair game" just because he is outside the goal crease area. A penalty for interference (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) or charging (Minor or, at the discretion of the Referee, a Major penalty and a Game Misconduct penalty) shall be called where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with the goaltender. Likewise, Referees should be alert to penalize goaltenders for tripping, slashing, or spearing in the vicinity of the goal.
Unless the puck is in the goal crease area, a player of the attacking side may not stand in the goal crease. If the puck should enter the net while such conditions prevail the goal shall not be allowed. If an attacking player has physically interfered with the goaltender, prior to or during the scoring of the goal, the goal will be disallowed and a penalty for "interference with the goaltender" shall be assessed and announced. The ensuing face-off shall be taken in the neutral zone, at the face-off spot nearest the attacking zone of the offending team.

I stand corrected... however I note that the above quoted rule in the above link carries the notation... NEW! Also contains the phrase "unnecessary contact" , which would apply to any player. Guess I'm old school. ;)

Tom

Regnaston

08-31-2005, 12:08 AM

I stand corrected... however I note that the above quoted rule in the above link carries the notation... NEW! Also contains the phrase "unnecessary contact" , which would apply to any player. Guess I'm old school. ;)

Tom

LOL you are old school all right, but it was like that before the new rule changes in the NHL. These rules come from the Hockey Canada website, and they may have or may not have adopted the new NHL rules.

edit:

Here is a rule from the NHL site (new rules) http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule78.html

(c) In all cases in which an attacking player initiates other than incidental contact with a goalkeeper, whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease, and whether or not a goal is scored, the offensive player will receive a penalty (minor or major, as the Referee deems appropriate). See also Rule 47 (c) - Charging.

subvetSSN606

08-31-2005, 12:49 AM

Regnaston

08-31-2005, 09:17 AM

It's still a great game! :)

I guess my opinion just is that a goalie should have extra protection rules when he's protecting the goal. But if he goes into the corner to dig out a puck, or carries the puck out to the blue line, he should be treated the same as any other player. Then it's up to the goalie if he wants to be an "active goalie" or not.

Tom

And the old rules meant the goalie could play the pck anywhere and be protected.

They had 2 options

1. What they did (goalie can only touch puck in a specific area around net)

or

2. Goalie can touch it anyhere but is allowed to be hit if he is in control of the puck outside his crease

#2 would have lent to more goalie injuries so they decided on #1

And you are right, it is a great game

Paduan

08-31-2005, 09:36 AM

LOL an 'Active Goalie' in my terms is one who you may not find in the net at all times, but he may be wandering behind the net, to the corners or even forward towards his blue line to get a puck.

Was that good enough Paduan ;-)
That may very well be the Canadian definition, which we should respect since you guys invented the game.

In my neck of the woods, it means a goalie that takes on the responsibilities of his own "enforcement" issues. It offers a more comprehensive involvement in the game for the goalie.

Most of the opposing players only trash me once....

Regnaston

08-31-2005, 09:50 AM

That may very well be the Canadian definition, which we should respect since you guys invented the game.

In my neck of the woods, it means a goalie that takes on the responsibilities of his own "enforcement" issues. It offers a more comprehensive involvement in the game for the goalie.

Most of the opposing players only trash me once....

LOL a Chippy goalie you are. AKA Ed Belfour or Ron Hextall

Also referred to as a DIRTY goalie ;-)

Paduan

08-31-2005, 10:39 AM

LOL a Chippy goalie you are. AKA Ed Belfour or Ron Hextall

Also referred to as a DIRTY goalie ;-)
I have always enjoyed Mr. Belfour, both on and off the ice.

I am perfectly comfortable with the "DIRTY" tag.

I don't often start "conversations", but am always eager to join in one.

Regnaston

08-31-2005, 10:54 AM

I have always enjoyed Mr. Belfour, both on and off the ice.

I am perfectly comfortable with the "DIRTY" tag.

I don't often start "conversations", but am always eager to join in one.

You didn't join in the 'conversations' while you subbed for the women's team did you???? LOL

Dale

HockeyCoach

08-31-2005, 11:02 AM

Hey Hockey Coach, where are you from?

My kid is in his second year of squirt. Tryouts won't be finalized until the 18th but I already know who his coach will be as I am managing the team.

He is on a travel team but unless he gets a whole lot bigger this year, I hesitate to think of him being on a travel team at Pewee level.

Val

I'm from Rochester, NY. My kids aren't in travel. I have three kids total and can't really justify the kind of monetary and time committment that travel demands. I wouldn't worry too much about the move to Peewees. I think you'll find that the amount of actual body checking that takes place is much less than you're probably anticipating. My youngest got the chance to play on a house Select level team toward the end of last season as an 11 year old. They played against AA Peewee Travel teams and actually beating them in the majority of those games. They actually won the whole thing at a AA travel tournament. There was some checking, but it wasn't as intense as you might think. As long as the coaches instruct the kids on how to properly protect themselves when receiving a check, they'll be fine. I always tell my players that the purpose of a body check is to "remove the player from the puck", NOT "remove the player from consciousness".

Is your son a "AA" or "AAA" player? I haven't really watched many "AAA" level games so I can't speak for that, but I'd imagine it's not so bad either. From what I've seen, you see more "hitting for the sake of hitting" down at the lower skill levels such as House B. There you get more kids that don't skate that well and try to rely on the physical aspect to make up for what they lack in skating and stickhandling skills.

Jon