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mudarra
05-19-2009, 01:52 PM
What the heck am I doing in this sub-forum!!!!?????? :shady::shady::shady::shady:

twizted1
05-19-2009, 01:53 PM
What did you buy? huh huh huh?

Superwoody
05-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Did he ride the YZ this weekend ? First Calabash now........

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:01 PM
I ain't bought NOTHING.............





















yet.

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Sooooo, what models of dirt bikes are street legal?

molly
05-19-2009, 02:10 PM
Dual Sports!!!! Just don't take knobby tires on the streets!!!

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:11 PM
No he rode Brandi's TTR125 and followed LDS for a bit.

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Quite a few can be made street legal!

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:17 PM
Quite a few can be made street legal!

So whats a good starter to look for?

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:29 PM
Come back up & ride the YZ :twisted: You'll decide on something tamer most likely then....

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:29 PM
The KLX/KLR's and the like are pretty good...you want something lighter in the wood's so when you pick it up it isn't that heavy! My YZ I can pick up from layin flat on the ground no problem!

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Tame and light is good. I'm old. It takes long for bruises and the like to heal. And picking up a bike would be rough on my back...
:crackup:

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:33 PM
Anything really offroad oriented is going to be tall...remember that. The YZ has a 36.5" seat height! Brandi's TTR125 (what you rode) is ~30". As for power...the YZ is about 32 hp or so...the TTR about 10 (iirc). The YZ though is beginning to feel tame...something tells me it's gonna kick my ass soon...

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:35 PM
Anything really offroad oriented is going to be tall...remember that. The YZ has a 36.5" seat height! Brandi's TTR125 (what you rode) is ~30". As for power...the YZ is about 20 hp or so...the TTR about 10 (iirc). The YZ though is beginning to feel tame...something tells me it's gonna kick my ass soon...

I'd be comfortable on anything up to a 32" seat.

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:38 PM
I'd be comfortable on anything up to a 32" seat.

Good luck....Most of the offroad bikes have tall seats...tall seat = ground clearance!

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:39 PM
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1158856031.html

Sight unseen, what about the price on this one?

twizted1
05-19-2009, 02:40 PM
Remember that dirt bike suspensions are much softer than street bike as well. I can tiptoe the YZ with it's 36.5" seat height, not quite as much foot down as the SV and it's 32" seat height though.

mudarra
05-19-2009, 02:44 PM
Remember that dirt bike suspensions are much softer than street bike as well. I can tiptoe the YZ with it's 36.5" seat height, not quite as much foot down as the SV and it's 32" seat height though.

Yep, I am aware of that. :thumbsup:

Prof._HH
05-19-2009, 02:49 PM
Just your size . . .
http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!BSRzy1g!2k~$(KGrHgoH-DEEjlLl1e6UBKCZnVq29Q~~_1.JPG

Auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360154603147&viewitem=)

twizted1
05-19-2009, 03:00 PM
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1158856031.html

Sight unseen, what about the price on this one?

It's a little high even in pristine condition..

KBB retail (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/retail/2006/yamaha/xt225/82774) - $2745

KBB trade-in (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/trade-in/2006/yamaha/xt225/82774) - $1855

I typically look somewhere close to the average between those two for price on a used bike in good condition, so about $2300 is what I'd look to pay if it's in fairly good condition.

mudarra
05-19-2009, 03:03 PM
It's a little high even in pristine condition..

KBB retail (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/retail/2006/yamaha/xt225/82774) - $2745

KBB trade-in (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/trade-in/2006/yamaha/xt225/82774) - $1855

I typically look somewhere close to the average between those two for price on a used bike in good condition, so about $2300 is what I'd look to pay if it's in fairly good condition.

Cool.

Found this one too. No model year listed with 5K miles.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1174987113.html

Superwoody
05-19-2009, 03:50 PM
It looks good but I have no clue what year that is. My favorite CL thing is when they're trying to get full price for their used FF helmet and never say what size it is :nono2:

twizted1
05-19-2009, 04:21 PM
It looks good but I have no clue what year that is. My favorite CL thing is when they're trying to get full price for their used FF helmet and never say what size it is :nono2:

The XT was made from the early 90's to 07 or so iirc.

Kath
05-19-2009, 04:33 PM
You have the same height limit I do, so here's your list of DS's from my own list of daily CL checking:

Super Sherpa
XT225/250
TW200
DR200
CRF230L
KLR250 (not made anymore)
KLX250 (a wee bit too tall, though, but the supermoto version is a better(lower) height)

mudarra
05-19-2009, 05:04 PM
You have the same height limit I do, so here's your list of DS's from my own list of daily CL checking:

Super Sherpa
XT225/250
TW200
DR200
CRF230L
KLR250 (not made anymore)
KLX250 (a wee bit too tall, though, but the supermoto version is a better(lower) height)

Thanks. That will definitely help surf CL with better search criteria.

mudarra
05-19-2009, 05:06 PM
Maintenance question. When looking at mileage on used DS bikes, what mileages should I look for things like "rebuilt forks/shock" "replaced seals" etc....?

twizted1
05-19-2009, 06:09 PM
That is something that varies by bike. Motox bikes have stuff rebuilt and replaced sooner than dual sports since they're used harder.

LoDownSinner
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Larry - seat height on dirt bikes are normally unladen. To find the proper laden height (if the sag is set in the ballpark) subtract roughly half of the suspension travel.

twizted1
05-19-2009, 08:18 PM
For a little more in depth answer...

Typical top end (and bottom end in some cases) life on a four stroke motocross bike is 100-150 hours of running time, then it's time to rebuild the top end at least. On a two stroke you'll get a new piston and rings every season to season and a half, but at a much reduced cost to rebuild. $100 or so for a two stroke every season versus $400-$1500 (depending on what needs replacing/reworking/boring/honing/lapping) for a four stroke every few seasons (based on a typical rider, not a racer out there every day practicing).

mudarra
05-20-2009, 10:28 AM
I find it amazing that you can find better deals on a KLR650 than you can a 250 DS.

twizted1
05-20-2009, 10:30 AM
Most people that buy the 250 DS's hang on to them. They don't buy them on some fickle pipe dream of taking off on off road trips like some do the KLR's. Plus most realize after they pick those up a few times, lighter is better offroad.

mudarra
05-20-2009, 10:37 AM
Most people that buy the 250 DS's hang on to them. They don't buy them on some fickle pipe dream of taking off on off road trips like some do the KLR's. Plus most realize after they pick those up a few times, lighter is better offroad.

I've found a couple of real nice late model low mileage bikes that are asking $300 - $500 above KBB retail. But both have extra goodies on them.

twizted1
05-20-2009, 10:44 AM
Goodies are only worth something to someone who wants them ;) Just remind the sellers of that.

mudarra
05-20-2009, 01:39 PM
I really like what I've read/seen about the Honda CRF230L.

Anyone had any first hand experience with this bike?

Kath
05-20-2009, 01:52 PM
I really like what I've read/seen about the Honda CRF230L.

Anyone had any first hand experience with this bike?

I sat on one at the dealer. It's shweet :) Unfortunately, I think 2008 was the 1st year for them so the used market is pretty much nil right now.

Superwoody
05-20-2009, 01:58 PM
EDIT: Never mind, doesn't look "street legal", maybe just a headlight????

mudarra
05-20-2009, 01:58 PM
I sat on one at the dealer. It's shweet :) Unfortunately, I think 2008 was the 1st year for them so the used market is pretty much nil right now.

Well, I found a guy who has two of them used. One with 26 miles, and the other with 130. :hyper:

But his asking price is a little high. So I am waiting for his response to my emailed offer.

twizted1
05-20-2009, 02:28 PM
Just stay away from the CRF250's unless you want to stay on top of maintenance....if you don't stay on top of it (cleaning air filter every ride or two, changing oil every 8-10 hours, etc) they're known to eat valves, which gets rather expensive...

caeman
05-20-2009, 02:33 PM
How about the Suzuki DRZ-200SE. 278 lbs wet. 31" seat height. Street legal. $4200 new.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/DR200SE/2009/DR200SE.aspx?category=dualsport

Kath
05-20-2009, 02:34 PM
Just stay away from the CRF250's unless you want to stay on top of maintenance....if you don't stay on top of it (cleaning air filter every ride or two, changing oil every 8-10 hours, etc) they're known to eat valves, which gets rather expensive...

That's the non-dual sport ones though, right? Yeah.....250, I'm guessing those are the ones you mean. I think the price is a bit high honestly, for the 230L. I mean the Zook DR200 is much cheaper, of course, it's got a few less cc's.

twizted1
05-20-2009, 02:36 PM
That's the non-dual sport ones though, right? Yeah.....250, I'm guessing those are the ones you mean. I think the price is a bit high honestly, for the 230L. I mean the Zook DR200 is much cheaper, of course, it's got a few less cc's.

Any of the 250 Honda's built around the CRF250 engine.

caeman
05-20-2009, 02:38 PM
If the farmers in my area weren't so picky about people riding through their fields, I could see one of these dual wee sports in my garage in 2 years.

mudarra
05-20-2009, 02:49 PM
Both fit the bill.

The Honda is a little more well equipped.

Disk brakes front and rear. and a 6 speed gear box, which i gotta believe makes it a better street ride than the Zook's five speed gearbox.

caeman
05-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Question: Is the road part just to get you to the next bit of dirt?

mudarra
05-20-2009, 02:51 PM
If the farmers in my area weren't so picky about people riding through their fields, I could see one of these dual wee sports in my garage in 2 years.

I live about a 30-45 minutes ride from this.

http://www.fws.gov/southeast/pubs/pi..._tearsheet.pdf

:woot:

mudarra
05-20-2009, 02:52 PM
Question: Is the road part just to get you to the next bit of dirt?

Primarily, but consider a 30 minute ride to the nearest forest trails.


At 100 MPG, I would commute on it too.

diygrl
05-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Ironfish likes to think of his V-Strom as a very large dirt bike and it is a beautiful sight on the road. You will, however, have to deal with the cross-eyed grasshopper jokes from me because that's what it looks like from the front!

caeman
05-20-2009, 02:56 PM
Disc brakes are over-rated. You want the old-fashioned pray-you-will-stop drum brakes to make your ride that much more exciting. :)

mudarra
05-20-2009, 02:56 PM
I don't have any desire to dirt ride a 400+ lb motorcycle.
So do, but not me.

twizted1
05-20-2009, 03:07 PM
The CRF230's aren't bad from what I've heard, not rode one though You might also consider the TTR230 (very similar to the CRF, and if you can't tell I know more about Yamaha off road than the others when it comes to dirt bikes)

Missy B
05-21-2009, 12:18 AM
All I know is that the XT225 has treated me well...and that's after it's been dropped pretty hard a few times. :mrgreen:

K has used a TTR225 and now his TTR250. They could be made street legal, but don't come that way. They have a little more oomph in them than the XT. All of them are great off road bikes, tho! :thumbsup:

Definitely stay away from the Strom for that duty, tho...but you already know that! Too much plastic and prettiness to hurt and worry about when you drop it. I much prefer my XT than the Strom when it comes to the dirt duty.

Can't wait to see the pics of the newest addition. :mrgreen:

mudarra
05-22-2009, 05:06 PM
All I know is that the XT225 has treated me well...and that's after it's been dropped pretty hard a few times. :mrgreen:

K has used a TTR225 and now his TTR250. They could be made street legal, but don't come that way. They have a little more oomph in them than the XT. All of them are great off road bikes, tho! :thumbsup:

Definitely stay away from the Strom for that duty, tho...but you already know that! Too much plastic and prettiness to hurt and worry about when you drop it. I much prefer my XT than the Strom when it comes to the dirt duty.

Can't wait to see the pics of the newest addition. :mrgreen:

OH SNAP!!!!

Look what just pooped up on CL.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/mcy/1184087711.html


Missy, how well does it perform on the street?

Missy B
05-22-2009, 05:12 PM
Doooooo eeeeet.

It will not handle on the street like your Versys :mrgreen: , but I love being a hooligan around town on it. As a matter of fact, I have been neglecting it lately for around town riding in favor of the Wee, but I ride it on class mornings so students can see a different alternative for bike purchases.

It does not have the weather protection the Wee has, of course, but for what the bike is, it does just fine on the street. It will make a nice complement to the Versys, IMHO.

Missy B
05-22-2009, 05:14 PM
PS that seems to be a pretty good price, too, but I don't remember what MSRP is these days. Besides new ones are 250s, too, but...

mudarra
05-22-2009, 07:08 PM
PS that seems to be a pretty good price, too, but I don't remember what MSRP is these days. Besides new ones are 250s, too, but...

$4690 MSRP for a XT250.
Most I have found on CL are asking $4000 for them, which is freaking nuts!!!!!!!!!

I've found a few XT225 all in the 2500-3000 range. This one has the fewest miles and the most accessories on it. I will check it out this weekend.


Damn my short ass!!!!! I have fallen in love with the Yammi WR250R (the FI 250 that has the punch of a carbed 400 as many have described it). But that 36.6" seat height is a no-go for me.

Missy B
05-22-2009, 07:25 PM
Neighbor has a 2009 WR450 (I think..maybe YZ?) and that thing is just stupid fast. I imagine the same for the WR250.
ETA: and yes, the seat heights are tall! Even Karl's full frame TTR250 is tall.

mudarra
05-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Neighbor has a 2009 WR450 (I think..maybe YZ?) and that thing is just stupid fast. I imagine the same for the WR250.
ETA: and yes, the seat heights are tall! Even Karl's full frame TTR250 is tall.

I am buying this thing to improve my off-road confidence. I have to keep reminding myself, I don't need anything "stupid fast" to do that.

:crackup:

Missy B
05-22-2009, 07:40 PM
I agree. He has offered to let us ride his monstrosities. We have declined. LOL
The XT will serve your needs well. It's not a speed machine but it has conquered anything I have thrown at it...unless there's been operator error. LOL Even then, the mirrors are still intact!

twizted1
05-22-2009, 08:35 PM
The tall seats. Aren't that bad! You have about the same inseam I do and the 250's aren't that tall!

Missy B
05-23-2009, 09:47 AM
It's the weekend. Where are the pictures?! :mrgreen:

mudarra
05-23-2009, 09:50 AM
It's the weekend. Where are the pictures?! :mrgreen:

:smug:



I am going to look at it tomorrow.
:thumbsup:

twizted1
05-23-2009, 10:26 AM
Post pics when you bring it home Larry!

SKnight
05-23-2009, 11:52 AM
:smug:



I am going to look at it tomorrow.
:thumbsup:Make matters worse, he asked me to go and bring the ramps.

I have the feeling unless it's a turd tomorrow there'll be pics of it at his house.

mudarra
05-23-2009, 12:34 PM
Make matters worse, he asked me to go and bring the ramps.

I have the feeling unless it's a turd tomorrow there'll be pics of it at his house.

It's good to have friends....... It's better to have friends with ramps....:woot:

twizted1
05-23-2009, 03:42 PM
I've got ramps too :crackup:

Missy B
05-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Don't you people RIDE motorcycles down ur way?

:mrgreen:

twizted1
05-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Yeah....but they frown on us riding dirt bikes from here to the trail heads (roughly 50 miles to one set...)for some reason...

Missy B
05-23-2009, 04:44 PM
It's a DUAL sport. Ya know, street legal! He don't need no stinkin' ramps! :mrgreen:

SKnight
05-23-2009, 05:10 PM
I told him I'd come by on the Busa, carry him up there, let him ride back.

It is 50+miles one way and there are a lot of horror stories about 2X4 seating.

Superwoody
05-23-2009, 06:33 PM
I told him I'd come by on the Busa, carry him up there, let him ride back.

It is 50+miles one way and there are a lot of horror stories about 2X4 seating.

I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to ride bitch either just for the fun of it :mrgreen:

mudarra
05-23-2009, 06:36 PM
We do ride down here, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to mount this thing to the back of the BURF.

:crackup:

caeman
05-23-2009, 09:19 PM
Mount it side-car style.

Missy B
05-24-2009, 12:12 AM
We do ride down here, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to mount this thing to the back of the BURF.

:crackup:

OK, I see I hafta explain this to you.

Orph can take you down in the truck, but you don't need his ramps. Instead of mounting it to the back of the BURF, mount the XT and RIDE!

That sounds....so....dirty. Good thing we're in the dirty forum.

:mrgreen:

twizted1
05-24-2009, 07:49 AM
Give it to Larry...He'll mount anything

:crackup:

mudarra
05-24-2009, 08:09 AM
OK, I see I hafta explain this to you.

Orph can take you down in the truck, but you don't need his ramps. Instead of mounting it to the back of the BURF, mount the XT and RIDE!

That sounds....so....dirty. Good thing we're in the dirty forum.

:mrgreen:

That 50 miles of freeway would turn into about a 2-3 hour backroad (and I mean Urban streets) ride.
Plus.

Untitled, uninsured, and a 70% chance of thunderstorms.

You were saying? :smug:

twizted1
05-24-2009, 08:12 AM
You were saying? :smug:


You're a pansy ;)

mudarra
05-24-2009, 08:14 AM
You're a pansy ;)

Pansy or not, this does not look like a fun ride.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=mcdonough+ga&daddr=roswell+ga&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=h&sll=34.065174,-84.343414&sspn=0.25028,0.4422&g=roswell+ga&ie=UTF8&z=9

twizted1
05-24-2009, 09:16 AM
You can do it!

Missy B
05-24-2009, 11:08 AM
You're a pansy ;)

:crackup: :crackup:

Perhaps you should just give the XT to Ty.

:mrgreen:

Kath
05-24-2009, 04:59 PM
Alright....where the hell are the pics? I keep checking back and getting disappointed!

SKnight
05-24-2009, 05:43 PM
They're coming, he's loading them now.

Superwoody
05-24-2009, 05:49 PM
Them???? How many did he buy? :crackup:

mudarra
05-24-2009, 05:51 PM
WORF Pics (http://www.beginnerbikers.org/forum/showthread.php?p=642062#post642062)


(10 Char)

mudarra
05-24-2009, 05:56 PM
And yes, I got my ass soaked looking for a few gravel roads to ride around here.

:crackup:

caeman
05-24-2009, 07:19 PM
Must...not...search...

*fail*

http://dayton.craigslist.org/mcy/1174394245.html

http://images.craigslist.org/3od3p93laZZZZZZZZZ95g08ca8b315f481dda.jpg

Seller is asking $3700. They retailed for $4400 in 2008.

*checks financial accounts*

Must wait.

Missy B
05-24-2009, 07:38 PM
this may sound weird, but I hate the new round headlight.

caeman
05-24-2009, 07:39 PM
Yes, that sounds weird. :)

mudarra
05-24-2009, 07:46 PM
this may sound weird, but I hate the new round headlight.

It is strange. It's like trying to fit a circle in a square hole. They should have changed the headlight cover to a more round shape.

Missy B
05-24-2009, 07:50 PM
It is strange. It's like trying to fit a circle in a square hole. They should have changed the headlight cover to a more round shape.

THAT'S what it is. Thanks! I couldn't figure out why it was bugging me so much. LOL

I saw the 2009 in person and it was the first thing I noticed right away, and wondered WTF.

My brother is a car nut and always points out those types of things out on a car and I always thought, "What an obsessed person looks at that stuff?" LOL

twizted1
05-25-2009, 07:26 AM
My brother is a car nut and always points out those types of things out on a car and I always thought, "What an obsessed person looks at that stuff?" LOL

And now you know what obsession is :mrgreen:

mudarra
05-27-2009, 09:07 AM
Hey Missy. What tire pressures do you run on your XT?

Do you run one pressure, or switch back and forth for road/trail riding?

Missy B
05-27-2009, 01:44 PM
I just ran the XT for 139 miles on Monday, both slab and dirt, at 19.5 front and 21 rear. Did fine on both slab/street at those pressures and they were close to the recommended pressures on the back of the front fender. I think that's where I saw them, anyway.

mudarra
05-27-2009, 01:53 PM
I'm contemplating a DS ride this sat. But I may opt to stay away from creek crossings due to the amount of rain we have had this week. :shock:

Missy B
05-27-2009, 02:46 PM
Go to creek crossings.

Have buddy bring camera.

:mrgreen:

twizted1
05-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Go to creek crossings.

Have buddy bring camera.

Post videos to BBO.

:mrgreen:


Fixed that for ya Missy!

caeman
05-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Yeah, make sure to record something like "Hey, watch this!" before attempting the crossing.

So, I was reading the HDT diesel KLR650 conversion and it having a fording depth of 24". What is the fording depth of the standard dual-sports?

Missy B
05-27-2009, 02:53 PM
If I knew WTF a fording depth is, I *might* be able to answer your question.

Missy B
05-27-2009, 02:53 PM
Fixed that for ya Missy!

:thumbsup:

Thanks for getting my back. :mrgreen:

caeman
05-27-2009, 02:54 PM
How deep of water your can ride through before you flood your air intake/exhaust.

twizted1
05-27-2009, 02:55 PM
Depends on the bike & rider Chad....

Some can do it on deeper water....like this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_2Ke7iWehY)

Some can't....like this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67hYDqFCVJg)

mudarra
05-27-2009, 02:58 PM
How deep of water your can ride through before you flood your air intake/exhaust.

The belly pan is about 11" and the carbs are (guessing) about 6-9" above that. So somewhere in the 17"-19" depth give or take for mud and rider weight.

But, keeping my skill level in mind. I wouldn't attempt anything deeper than the axles for now.

mudarra
05-27-2009, 02:59 PM
http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006-Yamaha-XT225.jpg

here's a pic. The XT225 has a 11" advertised ground clearance.

twizted1
05-27-2009, 03:09 PM
More than enough until you start needing to loft over logs on the trail :mrgreen:

mudarra
05-27-2009, 03:11 PM
More than enough until you start needing to loft over logs on the trail :mrgreen:

I got to learn how to loft first. :crackup:

Missy B
05-27-2009, 03:13 PM
Meh. I haven't figured out lofting. Riding over it works, too. :mrgreen:

twizted1
05-27-2009, 03:15 PM
I got to learn how to loft first. :crackup:

Lofting's easy....it's the landing it that's hard....:crackup:

mudarra
05-27-2009, 03:23 PM
Being a nature preserve I'll be DSing in, I am most concerned about a rattlewatermoccasinhead.

Missy B
05-27-2009, 03:27 PM
The only way I've figured out how to loft..with help from a hill. :mrgreen:

http://www.blairlair.net/images/dirtin101407/6-air.JPG

twizted1
05-27-2009, 03:34 PM
The only way I've figured out how to loft..with help from a hill. :mrgreen:

The YZ will do it with me up on the tank on throttle only in third gear :shock: Talk about a surprise the first little while I rode it....

Missy B
05-27-2009, 03:46 PM
I rode my neighbor's YZ exactly one time. I think that thing can eat small kids. (So you better be careful.)

:mrgreen:

twizted1
05-27-2009, 03:54 PM
I rode my neighbor's YZ exactly one time. I think that thing can eat small kids. (So you better be careful.)

:mrgreen:

It's fun now that I know how it reacts :woot:

foxracinpooh
05-27-2009, 05:06 PM
I rode my neighbor's YZ exactly one time. I think that thing can eat small kids. (So you better be careful.)

:mrgreen:

do you consider small kids 10 or 12 b/c if it is 10 Ty should be safe :)

twizted1
05-27-2009, 06:54 PM
do you consider small kids 10 or 12 b/c if it is 10 Ty should be safe :)

Oh ha ha ha....

:slap:<-Brandi

:mrgreen:

If I'm not posting tomorrow she killed me in my sleep.....