LEPR Password?

[Chrystal]

Since when do we need a password to go in there?

And what is it?

[Chuck]

The password is - TROUBLE

[Downin*MN]

Since when do we need a password to go in there?

And what is it?
Since Beginner was around I believe. He was trouble!!

M

but i suuuuuuuuuuure miss him.

[Clair]

We made the forum password protected, that way people had to make the effort to go in there, and if they don't want to see the post, removing the cookie means they won't.

Enter LEPR at your own risk.

[Missy B]

Enter LEPR at your own risk.

...due to the Law, Ethics, Politics, and Religion content that tends to get things stirred up around here a bit.

:mrgreen:

[weaver]

Stirring? There's no pot-stirring there! I haven't been in for a few weeks...

[mudarra]

Some members of this forum didn't have enough self control to not click on LEPR threads and urged leadership to add a password (I use leadership, cause I'm not sure if it was Tom or another mod who made the call to add it)
.
So a password was added.


Now those same members don't have enough self control to not type the password in, cause they still participate in LEPR threads.....

WTF????

[OBX-RIDER]

Some members of this forum didn't have enough self control to not click on LEPR threads and urged leadership to add a password (I use leadership, cause I'm not sure if it was Tom or another mod who made the call to add it)
.
So a password was added.


Now those same members don't have enough self control to not type the password in, cause they still participate in LEPR threads.....

WTF????

Yeah...not all of us have the maturity to handle our differences like Larry and I did when we had a disagreement or three :). I insisted I had the right to be wrong and Larry agreed...:shady:

[mudarra]

Yeah...not all of us have the maturity to handle our differences like Larry and I did when we had a disagreement or three :). I insisted I had the right to be wrong and Larry agreed...:shady:

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:


:woot:

[LoDownSinner]

I think the issue was the LEPR threads showing up in New Posts...

[Bugguts]

I think you're right LDS. Plus.....it's a reminder that going in there...you asked for "trouble". (Which ironically happens to be my middle name.)

[twizted1]

That was the big driver I believe for the people who didn't want to see/participate in them.

[Clair]

That is correct.

Plus, I'm nor sure Larry has ever been right ... just sayin ...


And Obviously my disagreements with LDS are because he's wrong too, but that's a given.


Oh well ... I miss BBO ... this is challenging to do on my iTouch.

Back behind the firewall I go ...

[mudarra]

That is correct.

Plus, I'm nor sure Larry has ever been right ... just sayin ...


And Obviously my disagreements with LDS are because he's wrong too, but that's a given.


Oh well ... I miss BBO ... this is challenging to do on my iTouch.

Back behind the firewall I go ...

I'm just the yin to your yang.


WOW that sounded bad! :smug:

[SKnight]

Some members of this forum didn't have enough self control to not click on LEPR threads and urged leadership to add a password (I use leadership, cause I'm not sure if it was Tom or another mod who made the call to add it)
.
So a password was added.


Now those same members don't have enough self control to not type the password in, cause they still participate in LEPR threads.....

WTF????
Twasn't me. I think LEPR should die, not have a password. This is a motorcycle forum. You don't go to Hannity.com and post up about your bike do you?

You said something very very similar about bike forums a few years ago.

Why do I participate in it? It still leaks to the regular forum, and so much energy goes there I might as well participate. Eventually I'll have enough of it and walk away.

And it was Derrik that started the password. Judging by the thread he started about it he's just as fed up with it as a lot of us are.

[MsPotatoPotatoHead]

I wouldn't miss it if it went away. I'd rather have the peeps here as my motorcycling friends than as my socio-political enemies. ;)

[SKnight]

It's too late in a few instances for me. A few people I just won't bother to be around anymore.

[twizted1]

It's too late in a few instances for me. A few people I just won't bother to be around anymore.

But how can you deal with not having Larry around? :crackup:

[Chrystal]

This is a motorcycle forum. You don't go to Hannity.com and post up about your bike do you?

If that was the case we wouldn't have the Bar or the word game thingies...there'd be no talk of wieners and foreskins, boobs, vaccuum cleaners, popsicles, ferriswheels, etc....

I know this is a motorcycle forum, but if all we could talk about was motorcycles???...Boring.

Hey, how do you like your motorcycle?

Good.

Hey, how does it ride?

Good.

Hey, how is the mileage?

Good.

Yawn.

[SKnight]

I was making a point.

You wouldn't believe the level of bitching I heard from several people to that very point, then those same people like to treat this as a political battleground.

This was a very friendly place at one point. In many ways it still is. In many ways it's now very, very different.

I see very LEPR like sniping at people in the general forum, usually between the same people that are at each others throats in LEPR.

Frankly it's gotten damn tiring.

[LoDownSinner]

But how can you deal with not having Larry around? :crackup:
It's easier than you may think. It's like, you're sitting there at dinner, like, just kind of chatting and looking around, and like, someone will just ask, "Where's Larry?" :shock:

[stoorat]

Some people will always look for something to bitch about. Always.

Some people will never find it within themselves to be friends with others if they have any ideological differences. Ever.

I just can't bring myself to bend over backwards in an effort to bow down and cater to the demands of either extreme of the spectrum. You have the right to make whatever choice you like, but once you start dictating what others are allowed to think and post, you'd better be able to present your deed and title to the forum.

[twizted1]

It's easier than you may think. It's like, you're sitting there at dinner, like, just kind of chatting and looking around, and like, someone will just ask, "Where's Larry?" :shock:

:notworthy:notworthy

[LoDownSinner]

Some people will always look for something to bitch about. Always.

Some people will never find it within themselves to be friends with others if they have any ideological differences. Ever.

I just can't bring myself to bend over backwards in an effort to bow down and cater to the demands of either extreme of the spectrum. You have the right to make whatever choice you like, but once you start dictating what others are allowed to think and post, you'd better be able to present your deed and title to the forum.
Stop that inane drivel immediately or I won't like you any more!!!

[Derick]

See this post;
http://www.beginnerbikers.org/forum/showpost.php?p=517790&postcount=1

If it gets bad again, I'll yank it. If people are turning away from bbo because of a severely off topic forum, it has to go.

I personally am getting pretty tired of all the anti-obama stuff. Not because I'm pro-obama by any stretch, but because its just sooooooooooooo effing stupid. It's like, get over it. He's here for at least 4....nothing you can do about it now.

[Chuck]

I haven't been in the LEPR colony in months and am much happier for it. I don't want this thread to turn into a debate about it, but personally I don't see any place for it on BBO...but that's just my unsolicited $0.02.

[mudarra]

See this post;
http://www.beginnerbikers.org/forum/showpost.php?p=517790&postcount=1

If it gets bad again, I'll yank it. If people are turning away from bbo because of a severely off topic forum, it has to go.

I personally am getting pretty tired of all the anti-obama stuff. Not because I'm pro-obama by any stretch, but because its just sooooooooooooo effing stupid. It's like, get over it. He's here for at least 4....nothing you can do about it now.

Wow. In the 5 years I've been a part of the collective forums BB, noone threatened to do anything about all the anti bush posts.

Oh that's right. Us conservatives should just STFU. Sorry, I forgot. :thumbsup:

[mudarra]

Twasn't me. I think LEPR should die, not have a password. This is a motorcycle forum. You don't go to Hannity.com and post up about your bike do you?

You said something very very similar about bike forums a few years ago.

Why do I participate in it? It still leaks to the regular forum, and so much energy goes there I might as well participate. Eventually I'll have enough of it and walk away.

And it was Derrik that started the password. Judging by the thread he started about it he's just as fed up with it as a lot of us are.

Amazing......

If you don't like LEPR, don't click on LEPR posts.

Yes, I used to rant about political posts. It was the main reason I left rec.astronomy years ago.

But then I discovered, I couldn't find a forum that didn't have them. So I figured I would hop in and see what all the hoopla was about. And hey! It's kinda fun.


We should ban political posts, just like we should ban car posts, kid posts, job posts, computer question posts, games, etc etc. None of them are on topic.


We should also ban members who post politics. We should ban members who post off topic posts (see above), and we should ban members that banter with each other over things like parking lot training.

How does that sound?

:crackup:

[OBX-RIDER]

Some people will always look for something to bitch about. Always.



Can I bitch about you bitchin about bitchin:slap::awcrap[1](?)... or maybe I should take my bitchin about you bitchin about bitchin to the LEPR Colony...:shady:


:)

[mudarra]

Can I bitch about you bitchin about bitchin:slap::awcrap[1](?)... or maybe I should take my bitchin about you bitchin about bitchin to the LEPR Colony...:shady:


:)

I'm bitchin about you bitchin about stoo's bitchin about bitchin. And your both WRONG!!!!

:crackup:

[OBX-RIDER]

I'm bitchin about you bitchin about stoo's bitchin about bitchin. And your both WRONG!!!!

:crackup:

I refuse to give up my American right to be wrong...you'll have to peel it from my cold dead hand...:shady::shady:

[mudarra]

I refuse to give up my American right to be wrong...you'll have to peel it from my cold dead hand...:shady::shady:

We should fight for that right, have a revolution. We should throw all the right people into the Boston harbor!

:crackup:

[Derick]

Wow. In the 5 years I've been a part of the collective forums BB, noone threatened to do anything about all the anti bush posts.

Oh that's right. Us conservatives should just STFU. Sorry, I forgot. :thumbsup:

Really? That's the best you have? You are really going to nitpick on the one example I used? So be it, but my hope was, and others stated this would be the case, was that the election would be over, and life would return to normal. Now its like, oh lordy, obama misspelled supercalifragilisticexpialidocuous...someone make a thread and bitch about it!!!!!!

Let it be known that I liked neither McCain, nor Obama.

[mudarra]

Really? That's the best you have? You are really going to nitpick on the one example I used? So be it, but my hope was, and others stated this would be the case, was that the election would be over, and life would return to normal. Now its like, oh lordy, obama misspelled supercalifragilisticexpialidocuous...someone make a thread and bitch about it!!!!!!

Let it be known that I liked neither McCain, nor Obama.

Not nitpicking at all. Just telling my perception. And it doesn't have anything to do with you nor who you supported.

When Bush was pres, the forum was full of warmonger this, big spender that, he can't say nuclear......etc etc.
I don't remember anyone ever telling those posters to pipe down.

Since the last election I have been called a racist (four times to date). A baby killer. A stupid hick. etc etc.

I even reported a post, and was told by a mod, since the insult was directed at a group of people instead of an individual member, it wasn't considered a problem.

So we critique Obama, and get this?
I see, how else should I take it?

[LoDownSinner]

Hey Larry - Derrick has sunk an incredible amount of his time, finances and resources into keeping BBO running, often when he had nearly any of which to spare. Let's show him the respect he's earned.

As far as the majority of this thread, IMHO, it belongs in the LEPR colony.

[mudarra]

I have nothing but respect for what he does here. I don't recall ever saying anything contrary to that.

[Ash]

I do like the LEPR section and I think it's good to have it for opening up lines of conversation that some folks do not want to deal with. Keeps it in a tidy section that can be entered...or not. Creating a password to keep it off the New Post option is a creative solution to the participate if you wish.

Folks that poach the candid say-anything attitude from LEPR and ooze it back to the main sections ought to be stripped and tickled by feathers till they pee on themselves.

I'm eeevil that way.

[twizted1]

I do like the LEPR section and I think it's good to have it for opening up lines of conversation that some folks do not want to deal with. Keeps it in a tidy section that can be entered...or not. Creating a password to keep it off the New Post option is a creative solution to the participate if you wish.

Folks that poach the candid say-anything attitude from LEPR and ooze it back to the main sections ought to be stripped and tickled by feathers till they pee on themselves.

I'm eeevil that way.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LDYAPXR View Post
I'll keep my money, my gun and my freedom and you can keep the CHANGE!
MITGC #19
9,000+ posts of utter nonsense and jibberish.

:shady:

Some hidden desire of yours ash??

:mrgreen:

[Ash]

Surrounded by kids home today; one of them is 2 feet tall & half naked to foster getting ON the potty before the pee comes out. Being NEAR the potty - nah, does not count. No jelly bean for weeing on the floor.

Yeah, guess pee is on my mind. ;)

[SKnight]

Amazing......

If you don't like LEPR, don't click on LEPR posts.

Yes, I used to rant about political posts. It was the main reason I left rec.astronomy years ago.

But then I discovered, I couldn't find a forum that didn't have them. So I figured I would hop in and see what all the hoopla was about. And hey! It's kinda fun.


We should ban political posts, just like we should ban car posts, kid posts, job posts, computer question posts, games, etc etc. None of them are on topic.


We should also ban members who post politics. We should ban members who post off topic posts (see above), and we should ban members that banter with each other over things like parking lot training.

How does that sound?

:crackup:You haven't looked very hard, or your interests don't follow that line.

I'm a part of three other forums, one of which is a firearm forum, that strictly forbids LEPR topics. They talk about all things under the sun, and it's great. They flow like water.

What I find amazing is how pissed off people get when displeasure over the forum wide feeling LEPR has caused gets voiced.

[Clair]

I just want to add that I totally disagree with anything Mudarra and LDS have said ... They are so wrong it's so obvious and thus why I disagree with them.

:mrgreen:

[LoDownSinner]

I just want to add that I totally disagree with anything Mudarra and LDS have said ... They are so wrong it's so obvious and thus why I disagree with them.

:mrgreen:
I have now been vindicated as being absolutely correct. :thumbsup:

[Derick]

Not nitpicking at all. Just telling my perception. And it doesn't have anything to do with you nor who you supported.

When Bush was pres, the forum was full of warmonger this, big spender that, he can't say nuclear......etc etc.
I don't remember anyone ever telling those posters to pipe down.

Since the last election I have been called a racist (four times to date). A baby killer. A stupid hick. etc etc.

I even reported a post, and was told by a mod, since the insult was directed at a group of people instead of an individual member, it wasn't considered a problem.

So we critique Obama, and get this?
I see, how else should I take it?

You are inferring that I am letting the Democrats go, and harping on the Republicans.

The LEPR colony wasnt started summer of last year as it was. If there were anti-bush threads, they would have sunk into the mix of the entire lounge forum. Along with that, because the LEPR colony was formed, more people have become more vocal about these such issues.

While I dont feel it is a valued addition to this site, it does allow some sort of ice breaking, such as Chrystal mentioned. With that said, it really is on a short leash, and those who choose to visit it, need to have the thick skin necessary to hear what goes on there. That includes you larry.

[mudarra]

and those who choose to visit it, need to have the thick skin necessary to hear what goes on there. That includes you larry.

I do. I can handle it. Read my sig. You don't see me posting threads like "kill the LEPR colony" or "its ruining BBO". Quite the contrary. I have learned more about BBO members there than anywhere else on BBO. I like the fact that I can get a little insight into people that see things differently than I.

One of the reasons I suggested we start a LEPR thread was the dominance of LEPR posts in the general forum (the lounge mostly).

The members dissing the LEPR forum have seem to forgotten that era in BBO history.

[mudarra]

I still think its funny as hell, that people who don't like the LEPR forum continue to log in and post there daily.

:crackup:

Is that sadist-masochist?

:crackup:

[Bugguts]

I still think its funny as hell, that people who don't like the LEPR forum continue to log in and post there daily.

:crackup:

Is that sadist-masochist?

:crackup:

Not all of them.

And yeah...I've definately learned things about the posters here from that forum.

As far as the BBO history....keeping tempers at bay is the key to not going down that path again.

[stoorat]

Can I bitch about you bitchin about bitchin...

Whoah, way too meta for me. Remember, I went to public school.

[mudarra]

Whoah, way too meta for me. Remember, I skipped public school.

Feexed! :thumbsup:

[subvetSSN606]

Oh good lord!

If anybody cares...
I'm not mad at anybody.
I haven't developed any dislike of anybody as a result of LEPR.
I don't expect to be agreed with by everybody.
I don't expect to agree with everybody.
Sometimes I may get frustrated or exasperated, but I get over it pretty quick.

Tom


PS...

1. I certainly wish folks would do a better job of leaving the LEPR stuff in LEPR. That would include both vague and not-so-vague references in other areas and also in "signatures" that show up in all your posts.

2. If we go down the road of eliminating LEPR and banning LEPR like posts, those type topics will inevitably come up within other areas and threads. With the then necessary heavy moderation and debate about that ensuing.

Tom

[twizted1]

That would include both vague and not-so-vague references in other areas and also in "signatures" that show up in all your posts.

HEY! I had the Heinlein quotes before the LEPR colony! :redtounge :mrgreen:

[MsPotatoPotatoHead]

Heinlein quotes should be exempt. ;)

[Chrystal]

Dang.

It's simple for me.

If I see something I don't like or don't care to read, I SKIP OVER IT.

Plain and simple.

...and go on to the fun topics.

It's not really that hard!

[subvetSSN606]

Dang.

It's simple for me.

If I see something I don't like or don't care to read, I SKIP OVER IT.

Plain and simple.

...and go on to the fun topics.

It's not really that hard!


I LOVE YOU!!!

Tom

[stoorat]

Apparently it's nigh impossible. What is the government putting in our water?

[OBX-RIDER]

I wasn't going to say anything else reference this thread but no frikkin way I'm letting Stoorat have the last word....:nono2:

Frankly for me the LEPR Colony has promoted understanding through communication. There is a tendency in the media to polarize folks...create an 'us' and 'them'...if you don't have certain political beliefs not only are you stupid but you are probably evil.

Now I might think that Tom and Bill fer instance..are misguided in their politics...or not... but there is no way I think they are stupid and I certainly think they are good people...the very best in fact.

We all let out egos put our asses on our shoulders at times...but I have seen a lot of laughing at ourselves go on in the LEPR pages too...and apologies issued and accepted.

PS. I really got into it with someone a couple of years ago NOT in LEPR. I remember LDS writing that he was sure if I met the person I was crossing swords with we'd be friends. I reflect on that from time to time...

[mudarra]

I wasn't going to say anything else reference this thread but no frikkin way I'm letting Stoorat have the last word....:nono2:




My Hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woot::woot::woot:

[mudarra]

FWIW - Considering the amount of crap I give Bill and Tom in the LEPR forum, I still consider them two of the best people I know.

[weaver]

FWIW - Considering the amount of crap I give Bill and Tom in the LEPR forum, I still consider them two of the best people I know.

You give people what?! That's a horrible present.:shock:

[mudarra]

You give people what?! That's a horrible present.:shock:

Maybe that's why I never get and "thank you" cards... :crackup:

[stoorat]

I wasn't going to say anything else reference this thread but no frikkin way I'm letting Stoorat have the last word....:nono2:

Alright, I've been wanting to ask you this for a while...what was your call sign? Your nom de guerre? I'm not talking about the "alpha tango Velveeta panties" stuff, I wanna know if you were Maverick or Ice. Topper Harley? Sea Princess? Come on, dish.

[Missy B]

Alright, I've been wanting to ask you this for a while...what was your call sign? Your nom de guerre? I'm not talking about the "alpha tango Velveeta panties" stuff, I wanna know if you were Maverick or Ice. Topper Harley? Sea Princess? Come on, dish.

Stoo, don't you know the rules on this? He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you!

:mrgreen:

[stoorat]

Psh, c'mon. I mean, he's a pilot fer cryin' out loud. He can't do anything without a flight crew, a ground crew, and probably a hairstylist crew. By the time he finishes his 78-point pre-flight checklist I'll already be living under an assumed identity the Balkans.

[OBX-RIDER]

Alright, I've been wanting to ask you this for a while...what was your call sign? Your nom de guerre? I'm not talking about the "alpha tango Velveeta panties" stuff, I wanna know if you were Maverick or Ice. Topper Harley? Sea Princess? Come on, dish.

Hmmmm...well my nom de paix was "El Supremo" and my crew would greet me as I approached my aircraft (Blackhawk or Huey) by genuflecting and repeating "El Supremo, El Supremo...we are not worthy, we are not worthy" in a respectful and supplicating tone...as, I might add, was appropriate.

My nom de guerre in an actual guerre so to speak, varied with events. My official call sign was 'Knight 18' indicating I was a Red Knight (1st Platoon) Aircraft Commander in the 114th Assault Helicopter Company. My inside moniker was 'Lizard' or 'Lizard King' after my habit of replying to the question 'can you do this or that' mission wise that "I can do anything" (from a line in a popular Doors song) in typical youthful bravado.

However after I taunted a senior officer that was twice my size into a fist fight (mostly his fists and my hard head, but he went to the hospital and I did not :smug:...)...I was rewarded with the appellation of "Psycho 6" indicating I was the chief crazy pilot, no mean feat in that place and time I might add...:) :shady:

[LoDownSinner]

Hmmmm...well my nom de paix was "El Supremo" and my crew would greet me as I approached my aircraft (Blackhawk or Huey) by genuflecting and repeating "El Supremo, El Supremo...we are not worthy, we are not worthy" in a respectful and supplicating tone...as, I might add, was appropriate.

My nom de guerre in an actual guerre so to speak, varied with events. My official call sign was 'Knight 18' indicating I was a Red Knight (1st Platoon) Aircraft Commander in the 114th Assault Helicopter Company. My inside moniker was 'Lizard' or 'Lizard King' after my habit of replying to the question 'can you do this or that' mission wise that "I can do anything" (from a line in a popular Doors song) in typical youthful bravado.

However after I taunted a senior officer that was twice my size into a fist fight (mostly his fists and my hard head, but he went to the hospital and I did not :smug:...)...I was rewarded with the appellation of "Psycho 6" indicating I was the chief crazy pilot, no mean feat in that place and time I might add...:) :shady:
Checkmate Stooooooo!!!! :crackup:

[stoorat]

Checkmate Stooooooo!!!! :crackup:

Yeah, I really don't have any sort of smartass comeback to that...he pretty much covered all the bases, and it was a badass story to boot.

I concede the field, Señor Loco Supremo.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[mudarra]

Psycho 6


I think a username change is in order. Comeon Mike, ya know ya wanna! :woot:

[LoDownSinner]

Yeah, I really don't have any sort of smartass comeback to that...he pretty much covered all the bases, and it was a badass story to boot.

I concede the field, Señor Loco Supremo.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
Uhhhh...

Dude...

I was calling checkmate in your favor...

[OBX-RIDER]

I think a username change is in order. Comeon Mike, ya know ya wanna! :woot:

The behavior or misbehavior that earned me that nickname could probably only be tolerated in a war zone desperate for passable pilots...:)

I gladly hand it on to some other swaggering rebellious arrogant kid that hasn't figured out that making reality your friend is a good idea...particularly in the military....:shady:

[Chrystal]

I LOVE YOU!!!

Tom

Now that we've gone public with our love, do I have to fear your wife coming to Wisconsin and kicking my ass????

[stoorat]

Uhhhh...

Dude...

I was calling checkmate in your favor...

Oh! Hahahahah...

Sorry, if I find myself at a loss for words, I usually assume I've lost the battle of (nit)wits. OBX, your account of how you earned your callsign was every bit as Hollywood as I could have hoped. What great stories your grandkids have to look forward to!




Although I recommend you save the one about the Thai hairdresser, the blind skunk, and the industrial-sized tub of mayonnaise until they're 18.

[LoDownSinner]

Now that we've gone public with our love, do I have to fear your wife coming to Wisconsin and kicking my ass????
All I can say is, I wouldn't want to piss her off!!!

[subvetSSN606]

Now that we've gone public with our love, do I have to fear your wife coming to Wisconsin and kicking my ass????

She's perfectly fine with my love for others, and their love for me... up to a point!
As long as we don't cross that, we'll both be fine! ;)

Tom

[subvetSSN606]

As an aside and going back a bit in this thread...

I want to say to my "opponents" in LEPR who have referenced me specifically, that I feel exactly the same way about you guys!

And in the spirit of Easter and Spring and new beginnings. I'd also like to publicly reiterate an apology to another member here with whom I was guilty of a severe lapse of judgement. (Wasn't about LEPR, at least not directly)

Tom

[Ash]

And in the spirit of Easter and Spring and new beginnings. I'd also like to publicly reiterate an apology to another member here with whom I was guilty of a severe lapse of judgement. (Wasn't about LEPR, at least not directly)

Tom

I am sure that they completely forgive you for the lamp shade on the head thing...but the nekked pics will live on forevah! :)

[stoorat]

And in the spirit of Easter and Spring and new beginnings. I'd also like to publicly reiterate an apology to another member here with whom I was guilty of a severe lapse of judgement. (Wasn't about LEPR, at least not directly)

Lapse of judgement?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/stoorat/ascii/lollercoaster6oi.gif




I haven't yet met a human being not guilty of that offense. Of course, I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but IMNSHO anyone who'd require reiteration of a sincere apology from a friend...well, I can hardly imagine them being worthy of one's friendship anyway.

[subvetSSN606]

Thanks!

Tom